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are for the most part not a good thing! Anyone who thinks they may not correlate directly to reliability issues that inconvenience the consumer may have a point, but only a minor one at best. Even a recall that does not affect the operation of the vehicle usually causes the customer lost time in going to get the recall taken care of. That is annoyance no-one needs. And many recalls are more serious than that - either resulting in diminishing of the vehicle's usefulness or a safety risk. The tie rods on my truck were a safety thing, although I still question how much of a risk that was given that they had already gone 220K miles without a problem. To me, that is going the extra mile for a recall. |
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Replying to: mirth (Dec 05, 2005 9:15 am) I do know I get pretty worried about the reliability of a car (and the manufacturer) when one model has five or so recalls in the first year. As an afterthought, I wonder if recalls are increasing as lawsuits increase. Just by coincidence, I had on my desk this morning a legal settlement involving Toyota. |
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| Basing reliability on the number recalls is insane. I have only had one vehicle "recalled". The rear wiper had a switch that failed on a few models, so they were all recalled for a new switch because having the rear wiper fail could cause a safety problem if you can't see out the back window. How about the models without the rear wiper option? Are they safe? There were over 100K vehicles from about 1995-2002 recalled for this problem, but it did not effect the quality of the 2004 model year vehicles. I am sure there were idiots using this information against the manufacture also. | |
how this topic is so dead.. Toyota legendary quality and reliability.. Perception, pure and simple. It has been drilled into our heads by the media that anything and everything Toyota or Honda builds is perfection, anything GM and Ford build is unreliable and bad quality.. Yet this is the first I have heard about this issue with Toyota. Not even a blurb on the news, or in my newspaper.. Hmm...
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Replying to: scape2 (Apr 18, 2006 6:28 pm)  Rocky |
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Replying to: black_tulip (Dec 02, 2005 6:50 am) For example, if in year 1, production=100 vehicles and recalls=20, and in year 2, production=500 and recalls =60, the quality actually went up, but this statistic would indicate a 3x increase in recalls! Anything to sell a paper, I guess! You make an interesting point, however the article points out that Toyota has already recalled more vehicles this year than the entire last year (2.2m last year, 2.4m this year). So they would have to have sold more vehicles in the half of the year that has gone by than the entire last year for your point to hold. |
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Replying to: scape2 (Apr 18, 2006 6:28 pm) While I do agree with the content of your post to a degree, my personal experience with cars and SUVs over the years has basically mirrored the general opinions of the automotive press. My Toyota, Lexus, and Honda products have been as close to flawless as a man could possibly expect them to be. To the contrary, all but one of my Ford and GM products were horrendously bad! And all but one of my Nissans had average build quality and reliability at best. Had a couple of Z cars that nickel and dimed me to death. One domestic that I had back in the 70s turned out to be a really, really good car. Believe it or not, it was a 1977 Pontiac Trans-Am that I purchased new. That car was extremely reliable for me over an eight year period. And I drove it extremely hard too.  Ron M. |
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Toyota's fast growth may put a temporary strain on quality control. I predict Toyota will meet this challenge. They don't have any other option, as quality is the hallmark of their product. http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2006-05-31-toyota_x.htm?csp=34 |
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| the 1 million cars that they recalled are going to put a strain on their repuatation. Didn;t they just recall some Lexus models too a month or 2 back. In an aritcle I read that a Toyota Prius you can lose control of the steering wheel or something. Thats a very un-Toyota like recall. That sounds like a Ford, Chrysler, or even a Nissan type recall. Toyota has taken their share of flack over this recall in the papers as well. The tranny problems in the Camry thats unheard of for a Camry. Toyota better get back on their game fast. See thats the consequence you pay for launching an 07 model early in 06 is mechanical problems. The good thing is I do think Toyota will be gast to work out the tranny problem because the Camry is basically Toyota's landmark vehicle and what their known for. Toyota's does not need the Camry to get bad press for a tranny problem so they have no choice but to work out this tranny problem. | |
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