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Re: MOVING FORWARD IN RECALLS [imidazol97] by kdhspyder
Apr 25, 2008 (12:03 pm)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Apr 14, 2008 6:44 am)

Actually over the last 4 years Toyota has had the least number of recalls of all the major 4 makers. On balance though last year GM had the lowest number, just below Toyota. Ford and Chrysler seemingly can't get out of their own way still.
 
However on balance most of these recalls from all makers are on vehicles built in the late 90's through 2005. But what many of the mudslingers don't comprehend is that TREAD has changed the entire automotive environment. Google it.
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Tupelo Mississippi Flash (in the pan?) by steve_ HOST
May 12, 2008 (1:46 pm)
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Slump results in a five month delay in production start-up.
 
Toyota delays planned start for Mississippi plant (Reuters)
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Re: Tupelo Mississippi Flash (in the pan?) [steve_] by nippononly
May 12, 2008 (6:17 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (May 12, 2008 1:46 pm)

The article mentions they are setting aside even more money for cash incentives for SUVs and pick-ups. Whoa, they are definitely going to reach levels tht are very much unprecedented for Toyota.
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Re: Tupelo Mississippi Flash (in the pan?) [nippononly] by gagrice
May 12, 2008 (6:22 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (May 12, 2008 6:17 pm)

Maybe their supply of the big stuff is where GM was in 2005 when they were just trying to get rid of inventory. They got that big new Tundra factory in San Antonio to justify to the honchos in Japan. What do you mean you spent billions on a plant for trucks nobody in the USA wants? Welcome to the fickled American buying public.
 
Just put those trucks and big SUVs in a storage yard. In a couple years it will be a gold mine.
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Re: Tupelo Mississippi Flash (in the pan?) [gagrice] by nippononly
May 12, 2008 (7:49 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (May 12, 2008 6:22 pm)

Well, to be fair nobody wants the American trucks either. GM is up to $4000 and climbing on the Silverado and Tahoe, Ford and Dodge are desperately trying to figure out how to clear out '07 and '08 inventories to make room for the revised '09 models.
 
I suppose Toyota will try to match them, but in the end everyone will lose, especially Ford, for whom the F-150 was the biggest cash cow in the barn and who has reinvested in their cow right at the moment half of everyone has stopped buying cows that large.
 
That reminds me, I was going to look up this Cobalt XFE they keep advertising on TV - 36 mpg? Is that for real? If so, kudos to GM for hearing the message and doing something about it. Now it's time for Toyota to get its heart and hands back in the FE game and produce some gas models with more mpgs that cost less than those hybrids...
 
Edit...well, indeed it seems GM has upped the FE ante: the Cobalt 5 speed manual matches the Corolla 5 speed for FE! The automatic is still quite a bit lower-rated, but even so they didn't compete so closely before. I wonder what GM changed on the Cobalt. Impressive. Of course, the new Corolla didn't help itself when it DROPPED two mpg points from the old '08 to the revised '09 model.
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Big trucks ain't sellin' [nippononly] by gagrice
May 12, 2008 (8:22 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (May 12, 2008 7:49 pm)

There is a lesson to be learned by all of the Big 4. The first to market with a full sized truck and SUV with a small diesel engine will be back on top. No doubt in my mind. A full sized PU getting 30+ MPG on the highway will sell as fast as they can build them. They need to use a 5 or 6 cylinder diesel under 3.0 Liter. They have plenty of power to pull a 1/2 ton PU frame and a good sized trailer.
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Re: Tupelo Mississippi Flash (in the pan?) [nippononly] by bumpy
May 13, 2008 (8:48 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (May 12, 2008 7:49 pm)

I wonder what GM changed on the Cobalt.
 
Low rolling resistance tires and revised fuel maps, mainly. They didn't do anything on the automatics (yet).
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Re: Tupelo Mississippi Flash (in the pan?) [bumpy] by nippononly
May 13, 2008 (1:42 pm)
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Replying to: bumpy (May 13, 2008 8:48 am)

Explain, explain: revised fuel maps?
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Re: Tupelo Mississippi Flash (in the pan?) [nippononly] by bumpy
May 13, 2008 (7:04 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (May 13, 2008 1:42 pm)

The cell values in the ECU injector mappings. The computer has a set of values for volume and duration for each fuel injector, and it taps various sets of those values for varying conditions related to throttle input. What they most likely did was lean out the transition states (light throttle to full, mid-throttle to lift-off, etc.) to reduce the amount of fuel used, at the cost of less exuberant performance characteristics (aka "peppiness"). The tricky part for the manufacturer, versus the aftermarket tuning shop, is not leaning out the air-fuel ratio enough to violate the NOx standards.
 
They could have done this stuff any old time they felt like it, but they had no real incentive until now.
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did anybody notice by nippononly
Jun 30, 2008 (12:30 pm)
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that in the latest APEAL survey (the survey that basically asks customers how much they liked their purchases and how likely they would be to buy the same vehicle again) results from JD Power, Toyota as a brand was way below average? Other less-than-savory results: among luxury brands, Lexus was last except for Infiniti and Acura (if you count Acura), falling behind MB, BMW, Jag, and Porsche. 3 of its biggest-volume models, Corolla, Camry, and RAV4, weren't even in the top 3 in their respective categories.
 
At least Tacoma, Tundra, and Sienna made into the top 3 (in what are not large categories, especially vans), but Honda beat Tacoma and Sienna.
 
The good news: Toyota did manage to get 3 best-in-class with the FJ Cruiser, Sequoia, and Lexus IS. Not exactly the meat and potatoes of Toyota's profit base, but at least it wasn't empty handed...
 
http://www.jdpower.com/autos/articles/2008-APEAL-Study-Results

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