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#16210 of 16309 Re: NY Debut [fintail]
Apr 02, 2013 (10:45 am)
"Not exactly pretty" - isn't that the name of the current Toyolex design language?
I like that Toyolex monicker. What are you calling Honda design: Hondork?
#16211 of 16309 Re: NY Debut [berri]
Apr 02, 2013 (10:52 am)
Honda is "meh". Nisfiniti is "uugh".
I think Toyolex and Nisfiniti have both channeled the spirit of Virgil Exner ca. 1961.
#16212 of 16309 Re: NY Debut [fintail]
Apr 02, 2013 (11:17 am)
Why is it you only target the Asian brands?
By your own admission you got an E-class as soon as you saw its new mug.
The 3 GT is almost as ugly as the 5 GT and X6.
Panamera is still the ugliest sedan on the planet, though.
VWs aren't ugly but they're so boring by comparison Toyotas are downright exciting. Jetta, Golf, Passat, zzZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.
This isn't exactly an era of beautiful designs. Exceptions? Audi and Kia.
#16213 of 16309 Re: NY Debut [ateixeira]
Apr 02, 2013 (11:24 am)
It's all relative. There's a lot of ugly out there, but some is uglier than others.
I'd take the weird flared nostril E over the alien maw Toyolex equivalent or the chipmunk cheek strangely renamed Infinitis.
Camry, Corolla, Venza, zzzz.
Kia can be handsome in a way, but beautiful? Surely you jest. Few modern cars are "beautiful", and none of them are Korean. Put down the Kool-Aid.
#16214 of 16309 Re: NY Debut [fintail]
Apr 02, 2013 (11:49 am)
I liked the W211, the W212 isn't as cohesive. The old one had the Avalon-style split lights I never liked and the new face made it worse - it just joined the current fad of stylized lights.
R-class never quite looked right and the GLK is too bolt upright. The rest of the lineup looks better, to be fair.
Scion FR-S is good looking, and supposedly Toyota was responsible for that.
Sienna is by far the best looking van, all things being relative, as you say.
I didn't mean to say Kias are beautiful, just that they're not ugly, like so many new designs are. Consistently so, they all look OK or better.
As for mainsteam, Civic > Jetta, Accord > Passat, though Honda hit some home runs in the ugly dept lately (Crosstour, Odyssey). Their volume models are OK now. Plus, Tiguan and Routan aren't exactly handsome.
Most brands have their hits and misses. Audi and Kia just don't have any misses.
#16215 of 16309 CR video on Highlander
Apr 02, 2013 (11:50 am)
Shows the wider back seat, still low to the ground, though.
Would look a lot better with a body color grills, that's too much chrome for me.
#16216 of 16309 Re: NY Debut [ateixeira]
Apr 02, 2013 (12:05 pm)
The lights are an angular version of the quad lights MB has used on the E since 1995. The car has many heritage themed details, like the instrument cluster, HVAC, door panel details, rear fender accent line, etc. I agree the new face is worse, nearly 20 years of quad light history, (or closer to 40 if we count the W123), and then randomly abandon it. Dumb.
FR-S is nice. Avalon is OK from the side and back. Camrolla both look old. Sienna is inoffensive. I think the Passat is handsome if dull, but it isn't ugly. I like the new Accord too.
I think Audis look nice, but kind of dull too - models are just size variants apart from the A7 and coupes.
Kia Forte is pretty blandiose. Optima is fairly sharp, Soul might be a better looking Scion, Rio doesn't offend, Sedona is 9700 years old.
#16217 of 16309 Re: NY Debut [fintail]
Apr 02, 2013 (12:57 pm)
The face lift E puts round themed lights on a square themed body.
Plus it seems every new car has LED disease, the Lexus IS being a good example of (way) overdone lights. It's their least attractive car.
I actually think the ES and (gulp) RX look fine with the new front end theme. A peek at sales and consumers sure do agree.
Avalon has that huge mouth, they turned the Fusion's grille upside down. Some minor tweaks and it would look better.
My AWD bias shows, I guess I like quattro. Gimme an S5 cabrio. The kids actually fit in that back seat. Or any Avant.
As for Kia...
Rio 5 door is the best looking in the A segment.
Forte is among the better ones in the B segment.
Soul is the nicest in the Box class.
Optima is arguably the best looking sedan in the C segment.
The Sportage looks pretty cool, too, even if you can't see out of the darn thing.
That's not a bad lineup if you think about it.
I think they stopped making the Sedona, but I'm sure there are unsold ones at dealers.
Considering how many ugly cars are out there nowadays, I'm impressed when an automaker doesn't have any failing grades.
#16218 of 16309 Re: NY Debut [ateixeira]
Apr 02, 2013 (1:05 pm)
The E facelift is puzzling, seeing as the W212 will only be around for a couple more years. Seems like a lot of money to spend, but the competition is fierce. Blowout pricing again in a couple years when the W212 replacement is coming.
ES is probably most attractive Lexus right now. I saw someone call the blackout grille on the upcoming IS a "Hitler stache", I had a big laugh from that. Too much styling in the new one, while the old one is really old and dull. Extremes. The average RX buyer would probably buy it if it resembled an AMC Matador coupe. All about the badge and name.
If you want an Avant, hope you want to live in Europe or a second world corruption hole - all you'll get is the faux butch Allroad.
Sedona is still on the website, that's current to me. Must be a pile of them sitting somewhere. I don't know if I can call a mommymobile CUV "cool", but the Optima looks nice if properly equipped, and I somehow want to almost like the Soul - although if I want a Korean commuter box, it's Elantra GT.
#16219 of 16309 Re: NY Debut [fintail]
Apr 03, 2013 (6:17 am)
I liked it better when the IS and ES overlapped in price, and one targeted sporty while the other targeted luxury. That would give the IS design team more freedom.
The original IS handled better than the outgoing one (base, not -F).
Allroad still looks good. Audi sure can do wagons.
I'm surprised the Sedona is still there. I saw a newer van in Grand Cayman, though it was a Hyundai. Looked about the same size, boxier, but seemed more like a competitor to the new Ford vans.
Sedona looks like a super model sitting next to an Odyssey, anyway.
Optima and Elantra GT both offer a nice panoramic moonroof, too.