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#16115 of 16275 Re: FYI for the recall problems.... [imidazol97]
Feb 01, 2013 (2:13 pm)
And now we know why. LOL
#16116 of 16275 Re: FYI for the import bashers.... [anythngbutgm]
Feb 01, 2013 (9:21 pm)
I am sure I can find just as many assembly fault problems for Toyota, it does happen after all, but I agree that the brake pad one, the hood latch ans the transmission cable look to be poor quality control. But the first one could easily be a supplier issue, and the fire issue was from spilled fluids ( and a poor design of the splash guard, that part is GM's fault) and not an assembly issue, remaber Honda CRVs were catching on fire just after an oil change not that long ago due to a trickier than usual location of the oil filter, it says more about the people doing the oil changes than a real problem with the car.
But back on track here, nowhere is the supplier blamed for the recalls above, where it seems ( no not always, but fairly frequently) that with Toyota recalls the supplier is more frequently blamed for the issue. I agree that the splier may be cutting corners that they shouldn't be ( after all, all the automakers, and yes this includes Toyota, are pushing for lower costs from their suppliers, not saying it is right to cut corners at all BTW just why they might try to do it, at the same time I am also sure that Toyota ( and all other manufactures now that information on faulty parts and indeed whole cars is so easy to find) spec as high a quality part as they can, while making the car affordable, and safe, sometimes it just doesn't work out.
I am also not saying that the part supplier should not be named and blamed, just that it does not absolve the car manufacturer from blame as seemed to be implied by the original poster, if that was not their intention than I regret even replying, but it seemed very clear to me that was what was happening.
#16117 of 16275 Re: FYI for the import bashers.... [ateixeira]
Feb 01, 2013 (9:32 pm)
Thanks for that I had indeed forgotten about the ford parts in the Mazda, but that wasn't a recall though was it? ( it probably should have been though, along with the chrysler autos of that timeframe too).
Perhaps you should look at the forum about the First gen Toyota Matrix Manualtransmission that continue to explode ( generally at less than 60,000 miles ) and need to be replaced at the owners expense, it can happen to any manufacturer.
Funny I seem to recall people saying that the ES used a Japanses sourced pedal assembly at the time of the incidents, and that people were wondering if they could get them for their Camry. It doesn't matter though, I agree that the supplier has some blame, just not that it absolves Toyota of all responsibility like you implied with your original comment on the airbag module recall.
#16118 of 16275 Re: FYI for the import bashers.... [scwmcan]
Feb 02, 2013 (6:16 am)
I was active in the CR-V vs Forester thread at the time so I'm very familiar with that case.
That was all Honda - the conclusion was the mating surface had some sticky residual there, so the old filter would spin off but the rubber gasket would stay.
To be fair, there were printed instructions on the new filter that specifically said to wipe the surface thoroughly, so that should have caught any left over gaskets, but....
The filter itself was on the side of the block and just above the hot exhaust headers. Difficult access plus heat source right there = poor design.
We had a long discussion about fault tolerance (proximity of Toyota pedals to the carpet was also questioned), but at the end of the day I concluded that Lee Iacocca snuck on to the assembly line with a bottle of super glue.
#16119 of 16275 Re: FYI for the import bashers.... [scwmcan]
Feb 02, 2013 (6:20 am)
No recall, a recall would have been GREAT!
Our advice was to trade the cars before it happened again, seriously.
NASA concluded in that long PDF report that the pedals could not cause SUA, BTW, just minor rpm fluctuation.
#16121 of 16275 Re: FYI for the import bashers.... [ateixeira]
Feb 02, 2013 (6:45 am)
I am sure that the unintended acceleratin cases were the same as Audis for the most part, there may be one or two freak cases but nothing rampent ( I even bought a Toyota from that period last summer with no worries about the issue). I am certainly not trying to drag it up again, as a matter of fact you were the one to mention the pedals. In any case I am a believer in pedal misapplication for the most part, for the brakes to fail as well as not being able to put the car into neutral is indeed a little unlikely, as I said it may occur somehow in a freak case, but not in all of the reported cases, I am sure it was a case of the media scaremongering again, and the government jumping on the bandwagon to make it look like it was doing something.
#16122 of 16275 Re: FYI for the import bashers.... [ateixeira]
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Feb 02, 2013 (6:56 am)
NASA didn't have Richard Feynman filing a minority report either.
Coming soon to a screen near you.
#16123 of 16275 Are you the 2014 Corolla?
Feb 06, 2013 (11:38 am)
2014 Corolla Leaked
As usual, the typical anti-import crowd is at it again with the usual insults of "Bland" "appliance" "boring" "dull" yadda, yadda, yadda, but the thing could look like a "insert some sort of exciting Gov. Motors car" and sport 400hp with RWD and they would still say that...
But looking closer at the concept, it appears as tho what is leaked are pics of a very low end, budget model, even sporting hubcaps and flat black plastic trim. Somebody found a pic of an Australian model and I think it actually looks pretty good fro the segment.
Sorry, pic to big to hot link
#16124 of 16275 Re: Are you the 2014 Corolla? [anythngbutgm]
Feb 06, 2013 (12:06 pm)
Wow, they toned down the Furia concept a lot. Must also be the color.
That profile looks really good, I like that C-pillar. Front is more Camry than Avalon, a good thing. Rear three-quarters is its best angle.
That's gonna be a hit if they use the right drivetrain.
Is that an Australian model, or a photochop? Doesn't look real to me.
I bet the white car is accurate.