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#16104 of 16273 Re: FYI for the import bashers.... [scwmcan]
Feb 01, 2013 (6:53 am)
It is also funny how when it is a GM problem it is GMs fault but when it is Toyota it is the supplier.
This is kind of a broad generalization here and I don't think it's true for many here. For instance, let's look at some of the GM recalls that have happened recently.
4 - 01 - 2013
Government Motors Co is recalling more than 69,000 full-size trucks and vans globally that could roll away after being parked due to a potential steering column defect, the automaker said on Friday.The vehicles may have been built with a fractured park lock cable or a malformed steering column lock actuator gear, and could roll away after the driver has exited the vehicle, according to documents filed with the U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.
Government Motors has announced a recall of 118,800 Chevrolet Colorado and GMC Canyon pickup trucks due to the possibility of secondary hood latches not being installed at the time of manufacture. The affected vehicles are from the 2010, 2011 and 2012 model years, all of which were built between November 9, 2009 and August 28, 2012.
22 - 06 - 2012
A risk of engine fires is forcing Government Motors (GM) to recall its Chevrolet Cruze compact car. The recall covers the 2011 and 2012 model years and affects more than 475,000 cars, which have ranked among the top-selling U.S. compacts over the past two years.
The fires can ignite when fluids, mainly oil spilled when it is being changed, drip onto a hot plastic shield below the engine, the company said Friday. GM knows of 30 fires caused by the problem. Flames engulfed and destroyed cars in two cases reported to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.
30 - 12 - 2011
Government Motors Co is recalling 4,873 of its current year Chevy Sonic subcompact cars in the United States and Canada for possible missing front brake pads, the company and federal safety regulators said on Friday.
23 - 12 - 2011
Owners of 2010 and 2011 model year Cadillac SRX vehicles, lend me your ears: Your luxury crossover may be facing a recall. According to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, some 8,789 affected units could have an improperly fitted transmission shift cable.
Look at the recalls for Toyota, mainly the headlines from the UA "witchhunt" (which never seemed to be linked to Ford who had more cases but I digress...) they are for parts which are faulty, from window switches (everyone had that recall it seems) to steering pumps, to Frames and the aforementioned gas pedals.
Now, I agree that it is Toyotas responsiblity when a part fails that is made to Toyota specs, but hell, any automaker should be responsible! But that's the thing about recalls, a part failure isn't discovered until it has been out in the field for a while. And I think most of the posters here are pretty forgiving for that. But as I noted above, the recalls at GM are not supplier related at all, which is why people are quick to point them out.
It's just shoddy workmanship.
#16106 of 16273 Re: FYI for the import bashers.... [scwmcan]
Feb 01, 2013 (12:09 pm)
I don't recall hearing it before ( please note doesn't mean I am right, but I just don't recall)
Back in the late 90s, all the Mazda 626 folks would complain about was the Ford CD4E transmission, sourced from the Contour.
Some of them didn't break. They ALL broke. Some twice (every 40-60k miles). It was a matter of time.
The recalled pedal assemblies were sourced from CTS. I'm sure they shipped them to Japan. I doubt the ES is all that different, at least that's what people keep saying.
#16107 of 16273 Re: FYI for the import bashers.... [anythngbutgm]
Feb 01, 2013 (12:14 pm)
when it is a GM problem it is GMs fault
I don't feel that way, check the GM thread and you'll often find me defending them.
The statement above probably came when the Sonic was recalled for missing brake pads. The assemblies came from Korea, so .... should we blame the Korean supplier, then?
What's different in that case is that the brake assembly was installed in those Sonics yet the cars still passed inspection.
What kind of inspection allows a car to pass without brake pads?
Quality Control check in aisle 1!
That's quite a bit different than a CTS pedal assembly so well sealed up that NASA said it had to be careful cutting it open so as not to contaminate the inside.
#16110 of 16273 Re: The race is on for 2013 [anythngbutgm]
Feb 01, 2013 (12:55 pm)
Nice to see the industry bouncing back.
#16111 of 16273 Re: FYI for the recall problems.... [imidazol97]
Feb 01, 2013 (1:03 pm)
There is indeed a pattern of delay
Let's see how GM did with a Toyota clone, then:
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/01/25/dont-forget-me-pontiac-vibe-also-included-in-- - toyota-recall/
GM doesn't yet know how many 2009 and 2010 model Vibes are included in the recall
So no Toyota badge, no idea that they were affected.
If Toyota was so slow, why didn't Pontiac catch the supposed defect sooner?
Remember, you can't blame NUMMI or the supplier, Pontiac is supposed to do their own quality control, they have to catch this stuff.
Yet...nothing. Wait for Toyota to tell them what to do.
#16112 of 16273 Re: The race is on for 2013 [ateixeira]
Feb 01, 2013 (1:43 pm)
Agreed. Looks like only Lincoln and Jeep are the ones in the negative for the month... (So far)
#16113 of 16273 Re: The race is on for 2013 [anythngbutgm]
Feb 01, 2013 (1:49 pm)
Jeep probably had a good month a year ago.