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#16095 of 16274 Re: Top Buzz Improver [ateixeira] by robr2

Jan 30, 2013 (2:50 pm)

Replying to: ateixeira (Jan 30, 2013 2:43 pm)
All that measures is "buzz" from the past two weeks. It doesn't discern good or bad buzz - just buzz.
 
3 years ago BP probably had lots of "buzz".

#16096 of 16274 Re: Top Buzz Improver [robr2] by ateixeira

Jan 30, 2013 (2:57 pm)

Replying to: robr2 (Jan 30, 2013 2:50 pm)
No such thing as bad publicity? I dunno.
 
Look at sales, sure hasn't hurt 'em.

#16097 of 16274 Re: FYI for the import bashers.... [ateixeira] by scwmcan

Jan 30, 2013 (8:04 pm)

Replying to: ateixeira (Jan 30, 2013 9:12 am)
But they only produce the parts to toyota's specs, if they didn't meet Toyotas quality standars they they wouldn't use them, you can try to spin it all you want but ultimate responsibility still falls on Toyota just like it does with any other manufacturer ( and always seems to be the case with others, it seems that it is only when it is Toyota that the suppliers are blamed)

#16098 of 16274 Re: FYI for the recall problems.... [ateixeira] by imidazol97

Jan 31, 2013 (6:16 am)

Replying to: ateixeira (Jan 30, 2013 9:12 am)
From the linked article: "fourth time since 2010 that Toyota has paid the maximum allowable fine for delaying recalls."
 
>I see a pattern here.
 
There is indeed a pattern of delay.
 
The sourcing of the parts is also toyota's responsibility especially now that they're #1 again in sales. HP gets the responsibiity for the computer I have sitting that slowly flaked out--I finally determined it is the motherboard with a specific capacitor size on it that deteriorated and those need to be replaced.

#16099 of 16274 Re: FYI for the import bashers.... [scwmcan] by ateixeira

Jan 31, 2013 (7:52 am)

Replying to: scwmcan (Jan 30, 2013 8:04 pm)
CTS' pedals were sealed. You can't inspect for tin whiskers if the part is sealed up. You have to trust the supplier.
 
The Dana frames weren't rusty when delivered. That took years. They paid Toyota millions because the frames did not meet specs.
 
This 3rd one was a supplier to a supplier, TRW probably should have done the testing if anything.
 
Remember, there was huge pressure to switch to domestic suppliers. Apparently that comes at a cost.

#16100 of 16274 Re: FYI for the recall problems.... [imidazol97] by ateixeira

Jan 31, 2013 (7:55 am)

Replying to: imidazol97 (Jan 31, 2013 6:16 am)
How does their response to recalls compare to other similarly sized automakers?
 
Ford's still done little about SUA despite having twice as many complaints at Toyota did way back in November 2009, before the media hype.

#16101 of 16274 Re: FYI for the recall problems.... [ateixeira] by steve_ HOST

Jan 31, 2013 (8:13 am)

Replying to: ateixeira (Jan 31, 2013 7:55 am)
We have a new theory for SUA over in A Mechanic's Life - Tales From Under the Hood btw. Automatic door openers.

#16102 of 16274 Re: FYI for the recall problems.... [steve_] by ateixeira

Jan 31, 2013 (4:35 pm)

Replying to: steve_ (Jan 31, 2013 8:13 am)
Weird. No Toyota mentioned, but I'm sure people will look hard and find one.

#16103 of 16274 Re: FYI for the import bashers.... [ateixeira] by scwmcan

Jan 31, 2013 (8:04 pm)

Replying to: ateixeira (Jan 31, 2013 7:52 am)
Sorry Toyota still bears the responsibility to ensure the parts are to spec, most manufactures of other goods ( don't know about other auto manufactures either btw not singling out Toyota for this as I don't know if the others do it either) do an inspection on a random number of parts, they obviously can't inspect them all, but a sample of every batch is the least they can do. Is the support at fault yes, if they supplied parts that did not meet the manufactures specs, but it is still up to the manufacturer to ensure the parts supplied meet their specs, therefore the fault is still ultimately Toyota's. It is interesting that until these problems became better known from Toyota that I don't think I every heard another manufacture using the supplier as an excuse, it has happened since, but I don't recall hearing it before ( please note doesn't mean I am right, but I just don't recall). It is also funny how when it is a GM problem it is GMs fault but when it is Toyota it is the supplier. bTW I own a Toyota and think they are good cars, it is the trying to shift the blame for problems away from Toyota that I have a problem with, they have t accept the fact that there are problems, and they can't just hide them away like they used to do ( and yes there are problems on toyotas without US content, it is not just the US suppliers that are at fault, BTW where was is the pedal assembly in the Lexus cars that had "UIA" manufactured? Since Lexi are primarily manufactured in Japan I would think they don't have a CTS pedal assembly.

#16104 of 16274 Re: FYI for the import bashers.... [scwmcan] by anythngbutgm

Feb 01, 2013 (6:53 am)

Replying to: scwmcan (Jan 31, 2013 8:04 pm)
It is also funny how when it is a GM problem it is GMs fault but when it is Toyota it is the supplier.
 
This is kind of a broad generalization here and I don't think it's true for many here. For instance, let's look at some of the GM recalls that have happened recently.
 
Recalls
 
4 - 01 - 2013
 
Government Motors Co is recalling more than 69,000 full-size trucks and vans globally that could roll away after being parked due to a potential steering column defect, the automaker said on Friday.The vehicles may have been built with a fractured park lock cable or a malformed steering column lock actuator gear, and could roll away after the driver has exited the vehicle, according to documents filed with the U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.
 
"Doomsday" 2012
 
Government Motors has announced a recall of 118,800 Chevrolet Colorado and GMC Canyon pickup trucks due to the possibility of secondary hood latches not being installed at the time of manufacture. The affected vehicles are from the 2010, 2011 and 2012 model years, all of which were built between November 9, 2009 and August 28, 2012.
 
22 - 06 - 2012
 
A risk of engine fires is forcing Government Motors (GM) to recall its Chevrolet Cruze compact car. The recall covers the 2011 and 2012 model years and affects more than 475,000 cars, which have ranked among the top-selling U.S. compacts over the past two years.
 
The fires can ignite when fluids, mainly oil spilled when it is being changed, drip onto a hot plastic shield below the engine, the company said Friday. GM knows of 30 fires caused by the problem. Flames engulfed and destroyed cars in two cases reported to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.
 
30 - 12 - 2011
 
Government Motors Co is recalling 4,873 of its current year Chevy Sonic subcompact cars in the United States and Canada for possible missing front brake pads, the company and federal safety regulators said on Friday.
 
23 - 12 - 2011
 
Owners of 2010 and 2011 model year Cadillac SRX vehicles, lend me your ears: Your luxury crossover may be facing a recall. According to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, some 8,789 affected units could have an improperly fitted transmission shift cable.
 
Look at the recalls for Toyota, mainly the headlines from the UA "witchhunt" (which never seemed to be linked to Ford who had more cases but I digress...) they are for parts which are faulty, from window switches (everyone had that recall it seems) to steering pumps, to Frames and the aforementioned gas pedals.
 
Now, I agree that it is Toyotas responsiblity when a part fails that is made to Toyota specs, but hell, any automaker should be responsible! But that's the thing about recalls, a part failure isn't discovered until it has been out in the field for a while. And I think most of the posters here are pretty forgiving for that. But as I noted above, the recalls at GM are not supplier related at all, which is why people are quick to point them out.
 
It's just shoddy workmanship.
 
 

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