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#16063 of 16273 Re: Anyone catch this? [ateixeira] by fintail

Jan 10, 2013 (10:16 am)

Replying to: ateixeira (Jan 10, 2013 10:10 am)
The upkick angle is lower, but there's still a space there. Maybe it is to make the car look bulkier, cut off some light inside - the typical automatic IS250 driver probably equates that with safety.
 
Neither of us are running to buy one, but that didn't stop you from initially being critical either - only seems to be a problem when there is more to say. Really, that "matters" bit is only in the context of Toyolex profits - bad or ugly design can still sell. We all have to see them on the road, so any opinions "matter", even those who think it is a masterpiece of design (ha). Devils advocate doesn't need to be played everywhere.

#16064 of 16273 Re: Anyone catch this? [fintail] by ateixeira

Jan 10, 2013 (11:44 am)

Replying to: fintail (Jan 10, 2013 10:16 am)
Not just them - I've noticed green houses getting smaller and smaller with almost every new model. Gotta look "chopped" to be cool, I guess.
 
I find it annoying. What happened to actually being able to see out of a car?
 
No need, we'll just add extra cost bird's eye view to compensate for a designed-in visibility deficiency.
 
//end rant
 
Having said that, the green house here looks airy and I like that about it. The rear door handle, door seam, and gas filler neck break up the sheet metal so it no longer looks chubby back there.
 
The lights are trying too hard, front and rear.
 
I'd say the same thing about a lot of cars. The new E AMG's face is also just too "busy":
 
http://www.autoblog.com/2013/01/10/mercedes-benz-e63-amg-gains-4matic-grip-still- -barking-mad/
 
There is a light within a light within a light, and the outer grille looks like a dog's cheeks blowing in the wind.
 
AMGs were subtle, what happened?

#16065 of 16273 Re: Anyone catch this? [ateixeira] by fintail

Jan 10, 2013 (1:15 pm)

Replying to: ateixeira (Jan 10, 2013 11:44 am)
Looked chopped, but no shorter - just taller beltlines. Try driving a modern car with your elbow out the window. I suspect safety junk plays the bigger role. The cameras can fill 2 roles then - make up for visibility defects, and provide a little safety too.
 
I don't like the coupe grille on upright MB sedans with its lack of hood ornament, and those headlights are really busy. But, at least it isn't Predator's mouth
 
AMG hasn't been subtle for about a decade now. Money likes to be brash, and IIRC, AMG sells several hundred percent more cars than it did at the beginning of the century. M/RS/F aren't really subtle either. The overpaid middle aged wannabe racers and spoiled trust funders who buy them new want to be seen. Depreciation is still high, anyway.

#16066 of 16273 Re: Anyone catch this? [fintail] by ateixeira

Jan 10, 2013 (1:30 pm)

Replying to: fintail (Jan 10, 2013 1:15 pm)
Even my Miata suffers from a higher beltline. Can't rest the arm on the door as with the NA model.
 
Ironically I think the more "styled" CLS AMG gets a prettier mug:
 
http://www.autoblog.com/2013/01/10/mercedes-benz-cls63-amg-gets-same-awd-power-b- oost-as-new-e63-mo/
 
Still more jewelry than I'd wear but the design is cleaner.
 
I'm not the target buyer for either, anyway, so I doubt they care!

#16067 of 16273 Re: Anyone catch this? [ateixeira] by fintail

Jan 10, 2013 (1:45 pm)

Replying to: ateixeira (Jan 10, 2013 1:30 pm)
I can rest my arm out the door of both of my cars, but in new cars I've experienced, it's a lot harder. Too bad. I bet it is really impossible in the IS, current and new.
 
CLS is appropriate for the coupe grille, and has cleaner lights. Maybe that will change though, as the design predates the new E by some time.
 
The suits might not care, but you have to see them on the streets, so you care

#16068 of 16273 Re: Anyone catch this? [fintail] by ateixeira

Jan 10, 2013 (2:39 pm)

Replying to: fintail (Jan 10, 2013 1:45 pm)
Let me know when they invent Juke-blocking goggles.

#16069 of 16273 Re: Anyone catch this? [ateixeira] by fintail

Jan 10, 2013 (2:59 pm)

Replying to: ateixeira (Jan 10, 2013 2:39 pm)
I don't mind the Juke so much, it exists to be weird and ugly, doesn't pretend to be elegant or cool. It's false pretenses that annoy me.

#16070 of 16273 SportCross by ateixeira

Jan 11, 2013 (8:48 am)

http://www.autoblog.com/2013/01/10/lexus-hints-at-possible-is-sportcross-comebac- k-w-poll/
 
Over 70% voted yes.
 
I bet it even looks better, since the taillights are one of the sedan's oddest features.

#16071 of 16273 Re: SportCross [ateixeira] by fintail

Jan 11, 2013 (9:06 am)

Replying to: ateixeira (Jan 11, 2013 8:48 am)
Could be a winner, esp if it dumps those goofy lights. I'd actually consider one, especially as it has little like it on the road. On another site, I saw a photoshop that made it look like a twin brother to the CT. I hope they use a different design language than the reverse angled C-pillar.

#16072 of 16273 Re: Anyone catch this? [ateixeira] by steve_ HOST

Jan 11, 2013 (11:29 am)

Replying to: ateixeira (Jan 10, 2013 10:10 am)
Neither of us is the target market, so what matters are what existing and prospective Lexus buyers think.
 
On that note, if anyone lands here via a net search and has purchased an IS, let us know:
 
A reporter would like to speak to a woman who is a new Lexus IS owner. If you fit the description, please send your daytime contact to predmunds.com no later than 3 p.m. PT/6 p.m. ET, Friday, January 11, 2013.

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