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#16022 of 16309 Re: Sticking my head back in for a look... [210delray]
Dec 21, 2012 (8:43 am)
The new IIHS test is pretty brutal, those mainstream cars actually did better than the luxury cars they tested previously.
I think, to some extent, cars are designed to do well on specific tests.
Look at the new Honda Accord. Honda was aware of the new tests so this update reflects it (one of only 2 cars to score "Good").
Funny thing was when it launched there was a big debate about why it didn't shave off as much weight as competitors have been, including the Camry, but now we know why. I read it was some thing with the bumper structure in the front end.
Now nobody will complain about no weight loss.
So far very few cars scored Good - Honda Accord, Suzuki Kizashi, Acura TL, Volvo S60.
#16023 of 16309 Re: This padre would... [steve_]
Dec 21, 2012 (12:54 pm)
That's funny about the GM board -- I'm not going over there!
#16024 of 16309 Re: Sticking my head back in for a look... [ateixeira]
Dec 21, 2012 (12:59 pm)
Also even for the Accord, only the 4-door scored a Good; the coupe was Acceptable.
My understanding is that Honda tied the ends of the front bumper bars into the upper structural rails that extend up from the bumpers to the tops of the fenders and back to the firewall. These upper rails are also more robust than those in most other cars.
I'm sure as engineers redesign cars in the future with this new test in mind, that they'll find ways to strengthen cars in a similar manner but with a smaller weight penalty.
#16025 of 16309 Re: This padre would... [steve_]
Dec 21, 2012 (6:02 pm)
Sometimes I wonder if Toyota is getting worse, or if the competition is just getting better?
#16026 of 16309 Re: This padre would... [berri]
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Dec 21, 2012 (7:55 pm)
The competition is definitely tough. I think Honda has the edge, if not the production numbers, over their neighbors at the moment.
Ask me again next week when a big Honda recall hits, lol.
#16027 of 16309 Re: This padre would... [berri]
Dec 26, 2012 (8:32 am)
Neither, it's the tests that are much, MUCH harder now.
Keep in mind BMW, Audi, even Mercedes failed to score Good.
I don't think any reasonable person would call the C-class unsafe.
#16028 of 16309 Toyota settles lawsuit for more than $1B
by Claire@Edmunds HOST
Dec 26, 2012 (2:02 pm)
Toyota Motor Corp. agreed to pay about $1.1 billion to install new safety equipment and reimburse owners of up to 16 million cars to settle a U.S. class-action suit stemming from 2009-10 recalls related to complaints of unintended acceleration in its vehicles.
The settlement, filed in a federal court in California on Wednesday, will result in Toyota taking a $1.1 billion pretax charge this quarter, a person familiar with the matter said. The settlement is one of the largest in a lawsuit involving the automotive industry, said Steve W. Berman, one of the lead plaintiff lawyers.
Wall St. Journal
Dec 26, 2012 (2:20 pm)
Oh yeah, I test drove the Scion FR-S, and it's a very nice car. I sampled the automatic, but I'd love to have the 6-speed, as the manual transmission seems very much now to have a bleak future. My wife won't approve however -- too expensive and not very practical if we wanted to carry any family!
Yep, and we already have a sporty sedan in the 2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS, too. No need for anything new.
I still wonder what the problem was, was it all the wrong size of mat under the accelerator pedal of the Lexus sedan in 2009 that went out of control, the one thing that seemed to cause all of this Toyota hating? Is there anything new regarding that story, just 4 unfortunate souls that are gone and the survivors grieving?
#16030 of 16309 Re: 210delray... [iluvmysephia1]
Dec 27, 2012 (7:57 am)
The Saylor family got a small settlement from Toyota.
The class action settlement was 1000 times bigger and you just know the lawyers will get all of it. Owners will probably get a $100 coupon if they buy another Toyota (that's what Honda did for the Civic class action, remember?).
I'm not sure what happened with Bob
Barker Baker Lexus, though. The family was still suing the dealer that put the wrong mat in the loaner car, and Toyota's settlement did not resolve that. If anything they had more liability than Toyota did.
The court cases are more about financial liability, not justice.
#16031 of 16309 Re: 210delray... [ateixeira]
Dec 27, 2012 (8:39 am)
"The court cases may be as much about greed and opportunism than liability."
Probably true, and opportunism and greed may rank right up there too.