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#16012 of 16273 Re: DOT fines Toyota $17M [ateixeira] by fintail

Dec 19, 2012 (8:11 am)

Replying to: ateixeira (Dec 18, 2012 12:56 pm)
I mean that the Lexus complaints were similar to Ford. Lots of human error likely for both.

#16013 of 16273 Re: DOT fines Toyota $17M [fintail] by steve_ HOST

Dec 19, 2012 (11:43 am)

Replying to: fintail (Dec 19, 2012 8:11 am)
"Federal law requires all auto manufacturers to notify NHTSA within five business days of discovering a safety defect and to promptly issue a recall.
 
"We agreed to this settlement in order to avoid a time-consuming dispute and to focus fully on our shared commitment with NHTSA to keep drivers safe," said Ray Tanguay, chief quality officer of Toyota North America.
 
Regulators are making a statement that automakers need to recall cars even if they are still investigating an issue and determining the proper repair, Anwyl said. Generally, car companies prefer to announce a recall and a fix at the same time.
 
Safety regulators fine Toyota for delaying SUV recall (LA Times)
 
Anwyl (as in Jeremy Anwyl, vice chairman of Edmunds) also said $17 million is just a speed bump to Toyota.
 
Question is, how and when do you decide that something is recall worthy?

#16014 of 16273 Re: DOT fines Toyota $17M [steve_] by fintail

Dec 19, 2012 (11:38 am)

Replying to: steve_ (Dec 19, 2012 11:43 am)
Probably something for lawyers to determine. If fines will be less than the cost of fixing and any subsequent legal action...fines it will be.

#16015 of 16273 Re: DOT fines Toyota $17M [steve_] by ateixeira

Dec 20, 2012 (9:22 am)

Replying to: steve_ (Dec 19, 2012 11:43 am)
car companies prefer to announce a recall and a fix at the same time
 
Look at the Ford 1.6l EcoBoost recall.
 
They told people to park their cars and provided loaners while they looked for a fix. So the early adopters, generally your biggest fans, were driving around in rentals making payments on their new Fusions and Escapes.
 
That was a PR disaster. It's no wonder companies drag their feet.
 
In this case it was for engine fires so of course it's better not to take chances. When you have SUA complaint rates that are similar to competitors, it makes no sense to tell everyone to park their cars.

#16016 of 16273 Sticking my head back in for a look... by 210delray

Dec 20, 2012 (1:57 pm)

...after a long, voluntary hiatus on these forums.
 
Looks like not much has changed, same people, same arguments. Toyota hasn't gone away as the doomsayers predicted after the big SUA brouhaha of 3 years ago (is it really that long)? Yes, it is -- that's when Tiger Woods was exposed doing some naughty things! Unlike Toyota, HE hasn't regained his composure!
 
I still have my 2 Camrys, the 2004 LE now with 111,000 miles and the 2005 XLE with nearly 65,000 miles -- still going strong, still looking great.
 
Too bad about Toyota's poor showing in the IIHS crash test release today; my older Camrys can't be much better. But just like all manufacturers with poor results in the past, they'll find a way to improve their cars; you can bet on that.

#16017 of 16273 Re: Sticking my head back in for a look... [210delray] by mcdawgg

Dec 20, 2012 (3:00 pm)

Replying to: 210delray (Dec 20, 2012 1:57 pm)
Too bad about Toyota's poor showing in the IIHS crash test release today; my older Camrys can't be much better. But just like all manufacturers with poor results in the past, they'll find a way to improve their cars; you can bet on that.
 
Yep, but I believe it is more of building a car to pass that specific test more than anything else. Cars are ALL very safe compared to even 10 years ago. At least it gave the Toyota hate group something to enjoy.

#16018 of 16273 This padre would... by iluvmysephia1

Dec 20, 2012 (3:50 pm)

have to say that Toyota is mostly all mended up now. And they have been for months and months and months.
 
For instance, have you seen the new Scion FR-S, for example? Great new car from Scion/Toyota. I wouldn't hesitate for a second ta buy one of those pups. If I was made of cash, that is.

#16019 of 16273 Re: Sticking my head back in for a look... [mcdawgg] by 210delray

Dec 21, 2012 (6:53 am)

Replying to: mcdawgg (Dec 20, 2012 3:00 pm)
Well, the IIHS tries to design its tests to improve cars' real-world safety, and there's now enough crash evidence after 17 years of the frontal offset test and 10 years of the side impact test to show that cars that perform well in the tests also are better in protecting real people in crashes.
 
Yes, there are some manufacturers that take shortcuts to pass the tests; in other words, dubious "improvements" are made that would seem to offer little protection to people sized or seated differently than the test dummies.
 
I absolutely agree however that today's cars are the safest yet, and they'll continue to get even better. This has to be a major factor in the dramatic decrease in deaths on US highways over the last several years.

#16020 of 16273 Re: This padre would... [iluvmysephia1] by 210delray

Dec 21, 2012 (7:03 am)

Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Dec 20, 2012 3:50 pm)
Absolutely all mended up, despite the best efforts of the haters over the last several years to denigrate Toyota so badly. It's partly why I left these forums, to get away from the silly arguments and to have more fun on other sites. It's pretty bad when a Toyota owner was one of their biggest detractors!
 
BTW, is anyone STILL defending that idiot Sykes guy who claimed his Prius had an SUA incident in CA back at the height of the Congressional/media circus?
 
Oh yeah, I test drove the Scion FR-S, and it's a very nice car. I sampled the automatic, but I'd love to have the 6-speed, as the manual transmission seems very much now to have a bleak future. My wife won't approve however -- too expensive and not very practical if we wanted to carry any family!

#16021 of 16273 Re: This padre would... [210delray] by steve_ HOST

Dec 21, 2012 (7:30 am)

Replying to: 210delray (Dec 21, 2012 7:03 am)
This place is a love fest compared to the GM News board.
 
Toyota took a hit in the press a couple of days ago over dragging their feet over reporting recalls, not to mention the crash test business. Their stock is up like $4 this week.

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