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#15999 of 16309 NHTSA upgrades Ford unintended-acceleration probe
Dec 14, 2012 (1:41 pm)
The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration said it intensified a probe opened in May 2010 to an engineering analysis after receiving 52 complaints
Read more: http://www.autonews.com/article/20121214/OEM11/312149796#ixzz2F45EJZaj
I called it. Ford's complaint rate was double Toyota's before Officer Saylor's crash. Why single out the import brand?
Dec 15, 2012 (9:11 am)
were more than Silverado sales this year, an unprecedented event. That makes it the second-best selling model sold in the United States, after only the perennial winner, the Ford F-150. It is far and away the best-selling car (not truck) sold.
Camry is also the model most affected (largest numbers) by the unintended acceleration recall back then.
So in the end that was a non-event in terms of sales.
I'm more interested in the fact that CR has pointed out that C-Max hybrid real-world fuel economy is way off the EPA numbers, much more so than most other models they have tested. This, even as I watch a barrage of TV ads from Ford comparing C-Max to Prius V, in which the Prius gets crumpled up like waste paper because of the supposedly much better fuel economy of the C-Max.
I wonder how Prius V does in CR's fuel economy testing...
Oh yeah, and I got post 16,000.
#16003 of 16309 Re: DOT fines Toyota $17M [ateixeira]
Dec 18, 2012 (10:10 am)
>That recall did not include the RX350 or RX450h. At the time NHTSA had not received any complaints about sticky pedals in those two models, but reports filtered in afterwards.
From the link:
"One such report, filed on May 18, 2011, described an incident where a 2010 model RX350 suddenly accelerated to above 60 mph while its passengers were waiting for a security gate to open. The vehicle reportedly crashed through a pair of gates and went airborne over a street before coming to rest against the side of building.
"One woman died and two people were injured in the crash, according to the report, dated May 18, 2011. It is the only one of the 28 complaints in NHTSA's database that led to a death or an injury."
I realize that the SUA events were explained away as old age, floor mats, sticking accelerator pedals. But this one doesn't fit that mold because they were sitting still waiting. The driver wouldn't have suddenly hit the accelerator pedal thinking it were the brake pedal because their foot was already on the brake while waiting. IT doesn't fit the sticky pedal because they didn't move the pedal down away from idle for the pedal to stick. And the whiskers have been disproved, supposedly, by some study of 2 exemplars.
In among the other explained examples of SUA, there seem to have been some idiopathic events that still don't fit the explanations.
Any ideas on what happened here?
#16004 of 16309 Re: DOT fines Toyota $17M [imidazol97]
Dec 18, 2012 (10:28 am)
It's an RX, ask fintail how well they know how to drive.
#16005 of 16309 Re: DOT fines Toyota $17M [ateixeira]
Dec 18, 2012 (10:33 am)
> RX, ask fintail how well they know how to drive.
I hear your point on that! The article doesn't mention trophy wife or lack of knowledge on driving in the USA as a factor... grin
It was a serious question on my part--note no dawgging on the various problems stipulated to already. I am curious if there is a real explanation for this and the few that don't fall into the other causes: old age, sticking pedal after depression, floor mats catching and holding pedals in open positions?
#16006 of 16309 Re: DOT fines Toyota $17M [ateixeira]
Dec 18, 2012 (10:34 am)
You beat me to it. Probably a safe bet to wager that it was misapplication followed by panic. Not a vehicle that attracts the most "with it" drivers.
#16007 of 16309 Re: DOT fines Toyota $17M [fintail]
Dec 18, 2012 (10:38 am)
RX drivers are the most skilled driving enthusiasts on the road. They drive right at the speed limit, never break laws, never hold up traffic, never text or get distracted, don't tailgate, and always stay in their lanes.
I'll stop now before I get struck by lightning. BWAHAHAHA!
But seriously, no more info than that?
Wonder if that RX has start/stop? The driver may have thought the car was off, and let of the brakes, then panicked when it re-started and moved.