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Replying to: priggly (Aug 28, 2006 2:04 pm) The reason is that while you may think that there is a significant fall off in QDR to the vast majority of current Toyota owners there is none. Those like myself who have been burned by the detroiters in the past will never forgive the lost time and lost dollars caused by 80's and 90's junk. There is still a cost of $10000+ spent in the past on four different detroiter vehicles that cannot be recouped. Compare that to a total of $400 on 7 Toyotas since 1989. As noted elsewhere, recalls? Who cares!! Mine took less than 30 min to fix and cost me nothing at any time since it was done during a regularly scheduled oil change. There is a much closer differential now and the detroiters, if they don't misjudge the market again, may gain ground on with better vehicles but they still will have lost an entire generation - or two - with poor quality in the last 25 yrs. Toyota/Honda and recently Hyundai have built up a huge bankroll of Goodwill. |
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Replying to: priggly (Aug 28, 2006 1:33 pm) Huh? Ford cant close capacity fast enough to keep up with buyers dropping off their customer list. I work 10 min from the Norfolk F150 plant. The Fusion/Milan ranks last in the IIHS crash test results for midsized vehicles. Dumb, since the 500 ranks first in its category. DC was third, now is fifth and really has no auto presence at all. If it wasn't for Jeep, the Caravans and trucks ... GM has good offerings in a lot of products and with it's new settlement with Delphi will very likely survive and kick butt in the next union negotiations. Except GM are these the 'winners' on the upswing. barely afloat is more accurate.
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Aug 28, 2006 5:15 pm) Relative to what? It hasn't been tested with side air bags yet, which become standard in 2007 for Fusion. |
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how the results would look if we made a chart of all the recalls of the Big 6 manufacturers in the last ten years. Would Toyota compare poorly in that light? Remember, Toyota is not the only one having large recalls, it is just the latest to join the crowd of large recalls. And from what I have seen, Ford at least is keeping pace with Toyota this year, and then some. And none of Toyota's recalls cause vehicle fires. Which could be considered a plus. 
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The Wall Street Journal article on 8/25 has a quote from a "Senior Toyota Engineer" that said: "We used to do quiet recalls called 'service campaigns' to deal with many defects, but we're not going to hide anything anymore" I've seen a lot of people on Edmunds complain about Toyota's silent recalls, meaning if you compain enough they might do something. |
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What is the status of Toyota's recall on the Tundra for the ball joints that fail and cause loss of sterring control? That defect is eerily familiar to the severe accident in Japan that Toyota is being investigated for hiding defects. In that accident, a faulty steering part in a Toyota resulted in loss of control and caused a head on collision.
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Aug 28, 2006 4:59 pm) If you are indeed prejudiced by the events of 15-25 years ago, as you indicate you are, then no, you will not be able to objectively evaluate the current crop of American car offerings to see that they are in no wise comparable to the problem-ridden offerings of two to three decades ago. In reality, a car buyer now is buying a current car, not one from decades past. It makes no sense to let ancient experiences color present objective evaluation.
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Replying to: vix4 (Aug 28, 2006 8:53 pm) This brings up an interesting and important point. It is one thing to have multiple vehicles with serious defects but is quite another to try to hide them. This speaks of a culture of corporate dishonesty and is yet another reason not to reward a greedy, arrogant entity that cares so little for its buyers that it insults and tries to deceive them by trying to hide the defects. Guess what? The defects are now so numerous and so serious that hiding them is no longer an option so ol' Toyota decides to come clean . . . but only after being exposed. Personally, I find the domestic car makers much more honest than their Asian and German counterparts who try to deal with their foibles by denying their existence and getting on their high horses when buyers complain. I have never been too thrilled when the prevalent attitude at a dealership, specifically a Toyota dealership or a Lexus dealership, has been such that they consider they are doing you a favor by even talking to you, projecting the image that it is a privilege to be considered as a buyer for their overpriced wares. Give me the American car dealerships any day with their refreshingly relaxed, forthright and appreciative attitudes who project the genuine aura that they are happy I came in their store to consider a purchase. |
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Replying to: priggly (Aug 28, 2006 11:04 pm) Unfortunately for the detroiters this statement is absolutely wrong. It's past experience that's the basis for current purchases. Not only that but those, my children, who were not drivers but also suffered through the 'Dark Ages' are similarly lost to the detroiters. The current retro trend brings back names that often had horror stories attached to them. In my case - the Charger. Dumb marketing. As I noted GM has some interesting and quality products spread throughout its lineup. However, with a total of $400 +/- in total 'unexpected' costs with my 7 Toyota's over the last 17 years and 500,000+ miles there is no reason to switch. I like the products and the advancements and simply the peace of mind to expect each of the three current Toyota vehicles to go into the 200,000+ mile range with little or no cost. In addition the cost of normal maintenance has gone from $500-800 annually in the early 90's to about $200 annually more or less indefinitely now. |
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"Give me the American car dealerships any day with their refreshingly relaxed, forthright and appreciative attitudes who project the genuine aura that they are happy I came in their store to consider a purchase." LOL. That is such a generalized, bias driven statement, I almost choked from laughter. So what dealership do you work for Mr. salesman? "genuine aura"... hmmm maybe SATURN? 
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