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You are in the Suzuki Grand Vitara/Vitara
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Suzuki Grand Vitara, Toyota RAV4, SUV
#23 of 42 Love Suzuki.......motorcycles!!!
Jul 04, 2006 (11:28 pm)
Why do so many GV owners have to validate their vehicle purchase decision by posting on a RAV4 board? For me, the GV's underpowered V6 and fuel economy just don't cut it. You love the GV? Good for you! Now move on! You're not getting any admiration or buyer's remorse form THIS satisfied RAV4 owner.
#24 of 42 Re: Love Suzuki.......motorcycles!!! [justfloorit]
Jul 05, 2006 (2:35 am)
The GV vs. RAV board shows up on BOTH the Suzuki and Toyota boards, that's why. And after buying my third Suzuki GV - and after test driving both the GV and the Rav - this was a purchase that I didn't have to justify - it was simply a no-brainer.
#25 of 42 Re: Love Suzuki.......motorcycles!!! [campdrafty]
Jul 05, 2006 (8:30 am)
it was simply a no-brainer
Well the implication here is that if you bought a RAV you don't have a brain. I take ubbrage at that suggestion.
I'm glad you like your GV and you're intitled to your opinion. My experience wasn't the same as yours. I found the GV's engine to be unrefined by comparison to the V6 RAV. Gas mileage was another consideration ... and then there is the resale value issue. So, as it turns out it is a "brainer" after all.
#26 of 42 Re: Love Suzuki.......motorcycles!!! [thecat]
Jul 05, 2006 (5:42 pm)
it was simply a no-brainer . . .
For me. That statement was made by me and applied to me only. That you took it as "ubbrage" (did you mean "umbrage"?) was your choice.
As for resale - yes, the resale on the Rav should be worth more (then again, who knows how the new GVs will be on resale - should be interesting and hope it's more than past models) - but the thousands I saved on the purchase price of the GV (compared to what I would have paid for a Rav) may make up for it. Mileage is also a consideration, but from what I've read on various forums, including ravs, some people haven't been getting the mileage they should. Haven't tested the mileage on my new GV yet.
#27 of 42 Re: Love Suzuki.......motorcycles!!! [campdrafty]
Jul 06, 2006 (4:34 am)
With my GV, on average during winter time (when it was below zero), I was getting 20/21 mpg. Now on summer time my average is 23/25 mpg. This is base roughly on 70% city and 30% highway. When I do highway only, running at 70 mph, I'm doing 30 mpg.
#28 of 42 Re: Love Suzuki.......motorcycles!!! [justfloorit]
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Jul 06, 2006 (10:41 am)
This is a comparison board so the whole point is to point out the pros and cons of the two rigs (in a civil manner of course ).
Check the title again.
#29 of 42 More Comparison Discussion
Jul 06, 2006 (6:44 pm)
Posts on the Rav4 vs GV topic on www.rav4world.com very well cover the reliabilty, resale value, quality and mileage issues. No need to repeat them, except to counter those who parrot the claims of Rav4 superiority.
I think it's very fair to say, given my post above, and others, that the relative mileage advantage of the Rav4 is being seriously challenged.
I'd also say that if the GV had more soundproofing, and softer suspension, it would seem just as "refined" as the Rav. It's very simple and cheap to achieve that impression. I thoroughly sound insulated an old cheap car, and afterward it seemed vastly more "refined".
Suzuki should put out a version that matches the Rav4 for off-road incompetence and interior decibel levels, and get the mileage ratings corrected. Maybe then a few of those Rav4 buyers would be smart enough to pass on the Rav4's Toyota cachet, and pocket up to $10,000.
I say all this without taking cabbage at anyone.
#30 of 42 "Consumer Rating" Scores
Jul 06, 2006 (7:15 pm)
Is there some way to fix the Consumer Rating scores at the top of this topic to reflect the '06 GV and Rav4's? Instead of the '05 Rav4 and older GV's. I would imagine everyone's interested in the scores for the current models.
#31 of 42 Re: "Consumer Rating" Scores [xostnot]
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Jul 06, 2006 (7:24 pm)
That issue has been on the bug list for a while. Seems like 2006 is the current model year for both the GV and RAV4 (which is sometimes an issue during the model changeovers). I'll check on it again.
#32 of 42 NHTSA Data on Rollovers and Safety
Jul 07, 2006 (10:00 pm)
Somewhere today, I saw rollover ratings for many 2006 vehicles. I think it was on the NHTSA site. The Rav4 did better than the GV by one or two percentage points. The cheering for the Rav4 should be muted by the fact that's not a big difference, and one would expect the GV to have done worse since it has a higher ride height. If this is the reason for the GV's marginally worse score, the extra clearance has not hurt the stability as much as one might expect.
I went to the NHTSA's vehicle consumer complaints site and looked up the 2006 GV and the 2006 Rav4. You can do this yourself, here:
Yes, the Rav4 outsells the GV by 4 or 5-to-1, but the GV has been on the roads 4-6 months longer. The GV has three complaints, of which one is a duplicate, while the Rav4 has 10. Some of those ten are, frankly, frightening. Like the claims of uncontrolled acceleration. We won't know for sure for years which is designed and built better, but comparing the data collected so far on that site does not support claims of Rav4 superiority, at any price.