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#282 of 331 Don't begrudge the rich, because dont we all want to be there? by larsb

Dec 07, 2005 (10:36 am)

Remember - there are Lottery winners EVERY DAY. Someday you might be the rich guy/gal.
 
Don't begrudge them their money, lest you want to be treated that way yourself soemday.

#283 of 331 Re: (Yet) another analogy.... [rorr] by mpalczew

Dec 07, 2005 (2:25 pm)

Replying to: rorr (Dec 07, 2005 10:11 am)
>> Don't use the odometer. Mileage data goes into on-board computer in RAM, is read by the pump, and then reset.
 
Yeah some fancy computer, that'll be more reliable than an odometer. >>>> "Why should you pay taxes in one state for miles travelled in another."
  
>> Uh, doesn't this happen with the current gas tax?
 
Only if you live close to the border. Not on a typical vacation. For this system to work reasonably it would need to be federal or somehow figure when you are going out of state to get a fillup.
 
>> I'll reiterate, a tax based on vehicle mileage CAN be implemented without going to GPS.
 
Anything CAN be implemented but it wouldn't work. First fraud becoe way to easy Odometer rollback, computer flash. Then you have to install this system onto everyone's car, intrusive as hell. I'm not going to put a computer into my classic.
 
>> Mileage data goes into on-board computer in RAM, is read by the pump, and then reset.
 
Yeah, my gas can is going to record mileage.
 
This system will never fly and it's lunacy that tax payer dollars are currently being wasted on investigating it.

#284 of 331 Re: (Yet) another analogy.... [tpe] by mpalczew

Dec 07, 2005 (2:28 pm)

Replying to: tpe (Dec 07, 2005 10:31 am)
>> What if this top 5% said to the other 95% that they are tired of this resentment and are going to stop making money.
 
Yeah, and what if pigs fly out of my ass. The point is that the rich in the US have it good. No amount of poorly fabricated scenarios or analogies are going to change that.
 
The king may complain that he has it tough, but you don't see him applying for the job of a peasant.

#285 of 331 Re: Don't begrudge the rich, because dont we all want to be there? [larsb] by mpalczew

Dec 07, 2005 (2:31 pm)

Replying to: larsb (Dec 07, 2005 10:36 am)
>> Remember - there are Lottery winners EVERY DAY. Someday you might be the rich guy/gal.
 
Now there's a tax on people bad at math
 
>> Don't begrudge them their money, lest you want to be treated that way yourself soemday.
 
They are treated better here than anywhere else. I'm fine with that.

#286 of 331 Re: (Yet) another analogy.... [mpalczew] by rorr

Dec 07, 2005 (2:49 pm)

Replying to: mpalczew (Dec 07, 2005 2:25 pm)
You're not making sense to me.....it must be me.
 
"Yeah some fancy computer, that'll be more reliable than an odometer."
 
All I'm saying is a means could be provided to record mileage over a tank of gas besides just the odometer. You ARE aware that many vehicles ALREADY have a 'black box' to record some criteria (speed, throttle/brake position, etc.) which can be used in accident reconstruction? Is there any reason to assume that this same technology couldn't also be used to record vehicle mileage and then this number be reset by the pump?
 
Why the fascination with whether or not the taxes would be equitibly divied up if you drive across state lines? This apparently isn't a problem now; why is it all of a sudden a concern if we go to a mileage-based user-pays tax system?
 
Personally, this whole argument against a mileage-based system is beginnging to sound like "The ONLY WAY to make this system work is using GPS, and that is WAY TOO intrusive and Big Brotherish so we should not even be CONSIDERING a mileage-based system".
 
No, you wouldn't have to install this system in everyone's car, nor worry about if your gas can recorded mileage. The pump would still charge a gas tax if you DIDN'T use the mileage reading, OR it would charge a mileage tax if your car were so equipped. The government could then bump up the gas tax to encourage drivers to use the mileage-based system instead.
 
"I'm not going to put a computer into my classic."
 
Good. And I wouldn't dream of installing a computer in my '66 Mustang fastback either. I would just pay the gas tax INSTEAD.

#287 of 331 Re: (Yet) another analogy.... [mpalczew] by rorr

Dec 07, 2005 (2:54 pm)

Replying to: mpalczew (Dec 07, 2005 2:28 pm)
"The point is that the rich in the US have it good."
 
Yes. And we have one of the strongest economies in the world. And generally speaking, when we tax the rich less, our economy does better; when we tax the rich more, our economy tends to get worse.
 
Coincidence? JFK thought not.

#288 of 331 Re: Yes, they are paying the same thing as millions of drivers [falconone] by stevedebi

Dec 07, 2005 (3:23 pm)

Replying to: falconone (Nov 29, 2005 5:05 pm)
"NY Legislature is possibly thinking of taxing skinny people MORE because they buy less taxable sweets and fast food. Ya see... in Manhattan everyone is on this health kick and NYC has discovered that tax revenues from fast food/sweets etc have been diminishing."
 
Actually a funny post (yes, I realize it is sarcasm), because in reality a recent study found that New Yorkers are actually heavier than the national average - but they think they are lighter.

#289 of 331 Re: Mileage Tax Will NEVER work [gagrice] by stevedebi

Dec 07, 2005 (3:25 pm)

Replying to: gagrice (Nov 29, 2005 9:00 pm)
"Not all states are equal. Alaska only charges 8 cents per gallon. It would be interesting to see if the states that charge the most have the best roads."
 
Well, that should cover the 8 miles or so of roads in Alaska.
 
No, seriously, they don't have nearly as many miles of roads as most of the lower 48 states. Maybe they can tax bush pilots by the number of miles they fly? Sounds fair to me...

#290 of 331 Re: So Sorry [newt5] by stevedebi

Dec 07, 2005 (3:29 pm)

Replying to: newt5 (Dec 01, 2005 3:15 pm)
"Having lived in Ireland, I can tell you the result of this. They calculate the tax based on # of liters. This results in 1.98 liter engines (to stay below 2.0) with turbos."
 
True, but how many 6.0 liter V10 engines do you have over there? Rewarding smaller engines does work to reduce consumption.

#291 of 331 Re: Another opinion saying taxing cars because they get high MPG is dumb [s by stevedebi

Dec 07, 2005 (3:32 pm)

Replying to: snakeweasel (Dec 06, 2005 11:10 am)
"Would you care to tell us what tax breaks are available to big SUV's?"
 
Over 6000 lbs, they can be deducted off of a business income tax return with accelerated depreciation. It was supposed to help out the small farmers (who need heavy duty pickups and similar vehicles), but it covers any heavy vehicle. Same reason that over 6000 lbs is not subject to CAFE, and you can only buy new diesel engines in CA for vehicles over 6000 lbs. So you can get that thirsty 6.0 liter Turbodiesel Excursion, but not a highly efficient 2.0 liter VW diesel.

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