Last post on Apr 03, 2008 at 9:09 AM
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Hyundai Azera, Volkswagen Passat, Buick LaCrosse, Sedan
#81 of 93 A point to consider....
Mar 25, 2008 (8:49 am)
I realize this thread compares Azera vs. Passat vs. LaCrosse but if you are going to throw a Buick in the race, throw in a good one. If you have just $30,000 to spend, buy a 2008 Buick Lucerne CXL with optional Northstar V8. It comes to under $30K (don't believe me? Check.) The Lucerne is basically a reskinned Cadillac DeVille/DTS which even by today's standards is still a good car. And let us not forget that the Northstar V8, though a bit long in the tooth, is still a world class engine. The Lucerne also has a top-notch interior considering the price point. You would have the only full size sedan with a V8 that pulls 25+ MPG on the highway that is whisper quiet for under $30K. That is a lot of value no matter how you look at it.
The Passat certainly has a nice interior, but it is no surprise that the VW/Audi reliability is spotty at best. My best friend had a Passat and visited me at my house and when he went to leave the car was dead....no clicking, no nothing----NO THANKS!
The Azera? Look, I respect the huge leaps in quality and refinement Hyundai has made during the past several years, but they have a long way to go. Their cars generally sport sloppy handling, less powerful/efficient powertrains, and poor resale value. I rented a Sonata and at highway speeds I was white-knuckling it to keep it between the lines. I can't imagine the Azera being so much better. It may be better than the rest of the Hyundai cars, but certainly lags behind class competitors/leaders.
#82 of 93 Re: A point to consider.... [g_allen]
Mar 27, 2008 (2:11 pm)
I considered Lucerne before buying my Azera and at the time, a comparable Lucerne with V8 was $5000 more then my Azera - and I get GM employee discount.
After a current comparison, and including the current $2500 rebate and GM employee pricing on the CXL Special Edition V8, the Lucerne is right on $30000 ( with sunroof, stability control, heated seats, uplevel stereo ). According to the Edmunds " prices paid for 2008 Azera " a Limited Ultimate can be had for around $25000 - so the Lucerne is still $5000 more. For that extra $5000 you get a car that's slower and gets considerably less fuel economy. The Lucerne is very nice IMO, and I could have lived with the additional $5000 in order to buy GM, but the deal breaker for me was the lack of a folding rear seat on the Lucerne.
As far as the Passat, I wouldn't totally dismiss the car because of an isolated instance at your house. Compared to Azera and Lucerne V8, the Passat is not as luxurious, is more sporty, has much less interior space, and gets way better mileage if you choose the 2.0 Turbo. You would probably pay somewhere between the Azera and the Buick. If you never put adults in the rear seat, I would consider the Passat as a distant competitor to the others. Just my two cents.
#83 of 93 Re: A point to consider.... [cobrazera]
Mar 27, 2008 (2:22 pm)
"....As far as the Passat, I wouldn't totally dismiss the car because of an isolated instance at your house."
That is just a real life example that I was able to witness which only confirms the reports on VW's poor reliability that are widely available on the Web among other places. Before anyone puts any VW on their shopping list they need to examine reliability reports. VW (and Audi for that matter) have had A LOT of problems and that has been no secret among savvy car buyers. My .02
#84 of 93 Re: A point to consider.... [g_allen]
Mar 27, 2008 (3:06 pm)
The JD Powers Initial Quality Survey ( 1st 90 days, problems per 100 cars ) for 2007 cars :
JD Powers Dependability Study ( 3 years, 2004 model cars ):
So the average VW goes to the dealer about 1.5 more times than a Buick in a 3 year period. Significant, yes, but not enough to keep the Passat off my list since it offers other things which, IMO, outweigh that - such as a savings of hundreds of dollars spent on fuel each year.
Mar 28, 2008 (7:40 am)
Is Buick considered oldman's car?
#86 of 93 Re: Buick [greatcars]
Mar 28, 2008 (9:36 am)
Yup. Until recently, the average Buick buyer was in his/her 60s. The LaCrosse and especially, the Enclave, may have brought that age figure down, but most of the Lucernes I see have seniors in them.
Personally, that would not decide whether I buy a vehicle; but does the car fit what I desire and need. Size, ride, handling, power, economy, styling, pricing, luxury appointments, etc., are more important to me than who drives what.
#87 of 93 Re: A point to consider.... [cobrazera]
Apr 01, 2008 (4:35 pm)
Ah, there's the problem there - you looked at the Highly "reliable" JD Powers Surveys.
My wife's Passat goes to the shop twice a year - for oil changes. The only time she had to have something changed was for the CV boot - and that was done the same day as the oil change - and it was on the 5 year mark.
VWs in general have a bad rep for quality - and well deservedly so, but the Passat is a lot more reliable from personal experience. I wouldn't touch the other models if you paid me.
#88 of 93 Re: JD Power's survey vs rahmibub's survey
Apr 01, 2008 (6:37 pm)
With all due respect, I too have a higher regard for your survey than for Power's, except that theirs has a sample size significantly larger than 1.
#89 of 93 Re: A point to consider.... [rahmibub]
Apr 02, 2008 (4:12 am)
Well, I am pleased to hear of your good fortune. But your experience, Sir, would be the exception. I fully concur with 'tonycd.'
#90 of 93 Re: A point to consider.... [rahmibub]
Apr 02, 2008 (5:01 am)
I currently drive a 2005 Passat, and before that, a 2002 Passat. My sample of 1 (plus assorted friends and family) has shown the Passat to be extremely reliable. Basic maintenance, and a couple of minor issue (kids broke the rear ash tray, fixed under warranty).
My 2 cents...