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#83 of 116 It would be the opposite of these vehicles....
Jul 10, 2006 (10:59 am)
Least Green Machines
Dan Lienert, 07.10.06, 12:30 AM ET
Pickups and SUVs dominate our first-ever ranking of the market's least environmentally friendly vehicles.
Bill Ford, chairman and chief executive of Ford Motor, frequently touts the company's environmental friendliness. Ford was the first American car company to offer a gas/electric hybrid vehicle that could run on electricity alone (the Escape Hybrid SUV), and 10.4 acres of plants grow on the roof of the automaker's Dearborn Truck Plant.
But our first-ever ranking of the least environmentally friendly new cars isn't just dominated by pickups and SUVs; five of the seven cars on our list are made by Ford Motor (nyse: F - news - people ). And though domestic manufacturers are rolling out low-emission gas/electric hybrids, such as General Motors' (nyse: GM - news - people ) Saturn Vue Green Line SUV, all seven of the market's least green cars, according to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency's most current data, are American--strong evidence that U.S. automakers are not as serious about clean vehicles as their foreign counterparts are.
#84 of 116 Re: It would be the opposite of these vehicles.... [larsb]
Jul 11, 2006 (6:47 am)
Bill Ford recently backed out of his promise to make all those hybrids he hyped up a few years back, so this is no surprise.
#85 of 116 Re: It would be the opposite of these vehicles.... [ateixeira]
Jul 11, 2006 (6:15 pm)
Bill Ford recently backed out of his promise to make all those hybrids
He found he could get all the CAFE brownie points by making his big trucks and SUVs flex fuel. GM & Ford could just dump the small cars and concentrate on the big money vehicles by making them all FFVs. No penalties and more profit. They cannot be making any money with the Cobalt and Focus.
#86 of 116 green
Sep 11, 2006 (6:28 pm)
any new opinions on this?
#88 of 116 Re: VW Greenest Re: green [moparbad]
Sep 13, 2006 (8:13 am)
LOL talk about quoting out of context. The total quote" JD Power also reckons VW is the most environmentally friendly manufacturer in the USA, because it is the leading supplier of diesel cars over there. "
Diesel environmentally friendly is an oxymoron.
#89 of 116 Re: VW Greenest Re: green [midnightcowboy]
Sep 13, 2006 (8:36 am)
They're looking at it from a european angle, so naturally their bias is very pro-diesel.
One of the euro mags held a diesel vs. hybrid comparison test and naturally they took a highway road trip to measure fuel economy. The diesel won (duh!). Such vacations represent, what, about 10-15 days out of the year when we're on vacation?
Do the same thing on a routine commute, where most people are in the a city or at least in stop-n-go traffic. The hybrid would win easily, and that's where you tend to be about the 200+ days per year that you work.
#90 of 116 Re: VW Greenest Re: green [moparbad]
Sep 13, 2006 (9:24 am)
VW beat Honda by a slim margin of 2 points on a 1,000 point scale.
And Honda has SIX cars in the Top 30.
Toyota has FIVE cars in the Top 30.
VW has only their THREE dirty diesels.
I have e-mailed JD Power about this study to try and get their reasoning as to how they could come to such an unreasonable conclusion.
VW cannot even SELL 2007 models of their TDI cars in the 5 clean-air states because they are so dirty.
The "world's cleanest diesel car" cannot be sold in the USA clean air states either.
#91 of 116 Re: VW Greenest Re: green [larsb]
Sep 13, 2006 (9:27 am)
Yep, to get one in California it has to be used and beyond a certain number of miles, because it's not clean enough to meet CARB standards.
Even Mercedes' new BlueTec is not clean enough - they will only sell it in 45 states, and that is with urea-injection technology.
#92 of 116 Re: VW Greenest Re: green [larsb]
Sep 13, 2006 (12:06 pm)
"VW beat Honda by a slim margin of 2 points on a 1,000 point scale. "
Yet, they beat them.
I think the issue is, what is "green" exactly. Diesel does have some more particulate and NoX than petrol. On the other hand, it achieves better fuel economy, has more of a path to renewable fuel, will likely last longer, and have less of an environmental impact in manufacture and disposal.