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#77 of 116 Re: Camry Hybrid rolling off same line in Japan as Priuses = fewer Priuses made [larsb] by gagrice

Jun 30, 2006 (1:12 pm)

Replying to: larsb (Jun 30, 2006 10:44 am)
Have you asked yourself the simple question? If they can start building Camry Hybrids here why not Prius? They are building the Prius in Japan sharing the same facility that they build Camry's in. It's not like this is a sudden surge in demand for the Prius. Last year it was not enough room in the Camry plant. We are building a Prius factory that can make a million cars yada yada. Then a fire slows down production. Now the Camry Hybrid takes precedence over the Prius. You need to face the facts. The Prius is a "Loss Leader" and they are not going to EVER try and keep up with demand. I would bet they have plans to end the Prius within 3 years. Buy a Camry Hybrid starting at $27k forget that Prius.

#78 of 116 Nex Gen Prius set to reach 94 MPG - Toyota goal.... by larsb

Jun 30, 2006 (1:59 pm)

They are not killing the Prius. They have announced a goal of 94 MPG from the next gen Prius, there was a news story a few months back.
 
ANYWAY, they have a 2007 model year goal of 170,000 Priuses sold in the USA - I just got an e-mail from a Fleet VP whose e-mail I acquired at one of the Toyota websites.
 
That's far from killing it.....
 
As far as the Camrys being built here - It's because the Camry is already 80% "American built" and they already have the new Kentucky plant readied for Camry production.

#79 of 116 Re: Nex Gen Prius set to reach 94 MPG - Toyota goal.... [larsb] by gagrice

Jun 30, 2006 (3:29 pm)

Replying to: larsb (Jun 30, 2006 1:59 pm)
If they can build the Prius in the Camry factory in Japan, why not the Camry factory in KY?
 
As far as that 94 MPG hybrid they showed off in the UK. It was just trying to get some interest in the EU. Hybrids are all but dead outside the US and Japan. Funny those are the two countries with little diesel exposure. I think they can make the Camry as cheap as the Prius and get $3k-$5k more for them. That is the reason for the cuts in production. Right now the Prius is off from last year by 12% with people waiting for them. That would not happen with any other vehicle after 3 years on the market.
 
I can see you are still blind to Toyota and their evil ways. At least Ford & GM do their deception right out in the open with the "Stick a Corn Cob up your Tail Pipe" E85 scam. You got to love the fact that the EPA gives GM a 33 MPG rating on a vehicle that gets 11 MPG on E85. It ought to help the big two sell lots of FF trucks and SUVs. Kind of caught Toyota off guard on that one.

#80 of 116 Re: Nex Gen Prius set to reach 94 MPG - Toyota goal.... [gagrice] by larsb

Jun 30, 2006 (3:44 pm)

Replying to: gagrice (Jun 30, 2006 3:29 pm)
quote gagrice: If they can build the Prius in the Camry factory in Japan, why not the Camry factory in KY?
 
They are not doing that. They are building the HYBRID CAMRY in the PRIUS factory in Japan. Then they are going to build the CAMRY HYBRID in regular Camry plant in Kentucky.
 
I think a 270,000 sales goal in the USA for the 2007 Prius speaks volumes - if they are planning that many, that means they have their production issues settled.

#81 of 116 Re: Nex Gen Prius set to reach 94 MPG - Toyota goal.... [larsb] by gagrice

Jun 30, 2006 (3:54 pm)

Replying to: larsb (Jun 30, 2006 3:44 pm)
I think a 270,000 sales goal in the USA for the 2007 Prius
 
I saw large projections by Toyota back in 2004 for 2005. They squeaked out a bit over 100k last year. Then they had big numbers for 2006 and if the first 5 months are any indication of total yearly sales they will be lucky to provide 90k Prius this year. It is just plain fishy. And if you remember as I do. Toyota produced the Prius II in the Camry factory to start with. You are saying they cannot build a Prius in a Camry factory in KY? With people waiting for the Prius they could not expand operations here or Japan to meet that demand. I am not buying it for a second. It is business as usual for Toyota. Hold the carrot hybrid, while you push the gas guzzlers to the max.
 
Don't get me wrong it is the capitalist way. Sell what makes you the big bucks. I just want the green image exposed for what it is. The only thing green about Toyota are the US greenbacks being stashed in a Tokyo bank.

#82 of 116 Re: OK pick a side..... [larsb] by ateixeira

Jul 06, 2006 (10:28 am)

Replying to: larsb (Jun 29, 2006 11:36 am)
As a car company, all you can do is PROVIDE clean cars - you cannot FORCE people to buy them. Toyota PROVIDES more clean cars than anyone else
 
Yes, same way they PROVIDE more dirty trucks like the many models with the old 4.7l.
 
New Toyota Motto: we provide the most options rated 2 or lower out of 10.
 
-juice

#83 of 116 It would be the opposite of these vehicles.... by larsb

Jul 10, 2006 (11:59 am)

http://www.forbes.com/forbeslife/vehicles/2006/07/07/most-polluting-cars-cx_dl_0- 710feat.html
 
Least Green Machines
Dan Lienert, 07.10.06, 12:30 AM ET
 
Pickups and SUVs dominate our first-ever ranking of the market's least environmentally friendly vehicles.
 
Bill Ford, chairman and chief executive of Ford Motor, frequently touts the company's environmental friendliness. Ford was the first American car company to offer a gas/electric hybrid vehicle that could run on electricity alone (the Escape Hybrid SUV), and 10.4 acres of plants grow on the roof of the automaker's Dearborn Truck Plant.
 
But our first-ever ranking of the least environmentally friendly new cars isn't just dominated by pickups and SUVs; five of the seven cars on our list are made by Ford Motor (nyse: F - news - people ). And though domestic manufacturers are rolling out low-emission gas/electric hybrids, such as General Motors' (nyse: GM - news - people ) Saturn Vue Green Line SUV, all seven of the market's least green cars, according to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency's most current data, are American--strong evidence that U.S. automakers are not as serious about clean vehicles as their foreign counterparts are.

#84 of 116 Re: It would be the opposite of these vehicles.... [larsb] by ateixeira

Jul 11, 2006 (7:47 am)

Replying to: larsb (Jul 10, 2006 11:59 am)
Bill Ford recently backed out of his promise to make all those hybrids he hyped up a few years back, so this is no surprise.
 
-juice

#85 of 116 Re: It would be the opposite of these vehicles.... [ateixeira] by gagrice

Jul 11, 2006 (7:15 pm)

Replying to: ateixeira (Jul 11, 2006 7:47 am)
Bill Ford recently backed out of his promise to make all those hybrids
 
He found he could get all the CAFE brownie points by making his big trucks and SUVs flex fuel. GM & Ford could just dump the small cars and concentrate on the big money vehicles by making them all FFVs. No penalties and more profit. They cannot be making any money with the Cobalt and Focus.

#86 of 116 green by alp8

Sep 11, 2006 (7:28 pm)

any new opinions on this?

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