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#75 of 116 Re: Reasons for Prius "shortage" - not contrived: [larsb]
Jun 30, 2006 (8:52 am)
but that was because of a production shortage, not a decline in the vehicle's popularity.
That gives credibility to my argument. Prius production by Toyota is being stone walled. Toyota does not want to sell anymore hybrids than they need to keep the green glow. If you could go into any Toyota store and have the same selection of Prius that you do Camry or Corolla I would say they are wanting to sell the Prius.
IIRC you made some statements a couple years ago that Toyota would get production up to demand by early 2005. It is now the middle of 2006 and they are still dragging their feet. No problem getting a big ramp up of RAV4 V6 gas guzzlers. They are up 53% over last year. Amazing how Toyota can build vehicles when they want to.
#76 of 116 Camry Hybrid rolling off same line in Japan as Priuses = fewer Priuses made
Jun 30, 2006 (9:44 am)
http://news.cincypost.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060519/NEWS01/605190345/-- - 1/BACK01
By Jon Newberry
Post staff reporter
Zoom MELVIN GRIER/The Post
Joseph Toyota's sales and leasing consultant Jim Steinau talks with Marion and Bill Cooley before they take off to test drive a 2006 Prius.
Just as Toyota is starting to sell hybrid versions of its popular Camry sedan, U.S. sales trends of Toyota's groundbreaking Prius hybrid are slowing for the first time since consumer demand surged more than two years ago.
The timing isn't mere coincidence, nor is the cause a shortage of willing buyers for Toyota Motor Co.'s gasoline-and-electric-powered Prius, according to company officials. Rather, the problem is that there are even fewer Priuses available than there were last year, when waiting lists often stretched to six months.
"Production numbers are a little lower this year at the moment. We're basically selling all we can get," said Sam Butto, a Toyota Motor Sales U.S.A. spokesman in Torrance, Calif. "It isn't from a lack of interest from the public. That's for sure."
The car that led a revolution away from gas-guzzlers was a novelty when it was introduced, its image instantly polished by movie stars commuting around Hollywood in theirs. Today, you're more likely than not to pass a Prius on your Interstate 75 commute. They've gone mainstream as gas prices have gone up and hybrid technology has proven itself. Given the public's embrace, automakers are responding by building more hybrids.
Ironically, production capacity for Priuses in Japan is constrained because Toyota recently began making Camry hybrids - which are just hitting West Coast showrooms - on the same assembly line. That should change later this year when Toyota's manufacturing plant in Georgetown, Ky., starts producing a hybrid version of the Camry. It will be the first Toyota hybrid made in North America. Until now, all the Toyota hybrids sold here have been imported from Japan.
When Georgetown begins producing hybrid Camrys later this year, it will initially source its hybrid components - including specialized electric motors, generators, transmissions, and batteries - from Japan. But Butto said the recent shortage of Priuses isn't tied to a scarcity of hybrid components. "I don't think that is the problem. It's basically a shortage of vehicles," he said.
Victor Vanov, a spokesman for Toyota's North American manufacturing headquarters in Erlanger, Ky., said start-up of Camry production in Georgetown should help alleviate the Prius shortage.
"The ultimate goal is that when Camrys are being produced in Georgetown, that will free up capacity for more Priuses in Japan," he said.
#77 of 116 Re: Camry Hybrid rolling off same line in Japan as Priuses = fewer Priuses made [larsb]
Jun 30, 2006 (12:12 pm)
Have you asked yourself the simple question? If they can start building Camry Hybrids here why not Prius? They are building the Prius in Japan sharing the same facility that they build Camry's in. It's not like this is a sudden surge in demand for the Prius. Last year it was not enough room in the Camry plant. We are building a Prius factory that can make a million cars yada yada. Then a fire slows down production. Now the Camry Hybrid takes precedence over the Prius. You need to face the facts. The Prius is a "Loss Leader" and they are not going to EVER try and keep up with demand. I would bet they have plans to end the Prius within 3 years. Buy a Camry Hybrid starting at $27k forget that Prius.
#78 of 116 Nex Gen Prius set to reach 94 MPG - Toyota goal....
Jun 30, 2006 (12:59 pm)
They are not killing the Prius. They have announced a goal of 94 MPG from the next gen Prius, there was a news story a few months back.
ANYWAY, they have a 2007 model year goal of 170,000 Priuses sold in the USA - I just got an e-mail from a Fleet VP whose e-mail I acquired at one of the Toyota websites.
That's far from killing it.....
As far as the Camrys being built here - It's because the Camry is already 80% "American built" and they already have the new Kentucky plant readied for Camry production.
#79 of 116 Re: Nex Gen Prius set to reach 94 MPG - Toyota goal.... [larsb]
Jun 30, 2006 (2:29 pm)
If they can build the Prius in the Camry factory in Japan, why not the Camry factory in KY?
As far as that 94 MPG hybrid they showed off in the UK. It was just trying to get some interest in the EU. Hybrids are all but dead outside the US and Japan. Funny those are the two countries with little diesel exposure. I think they can make the Camry as cheap as the Prius and get $3k-$5k more for them. That is the reason for the cuts in production. Right now the Prius is off from last year by 12% with people waiting for them. That would not happen with any other vehicle after 3 years on the market.
I can see you are still blind to Toyota and their evil ways. At least Ford & GM do their deception right out in the open with the "Stick a Corn Cob up your Tail Pipe" E85 scam. You got to love the fact that the EPA gives GM a 33 MPG rating on a vehicle that gets 11 MPG on E85. It ought to help the big two sell lots of FF trucks and SUVs. Kind of caught Toyota off guard on that one.
#80 of 116 Re: Nex Gen Prius set to reach 94 MPG - Toyota goal.... [gagrice]
Jun 30, 2006 (2:44 pm)
quote gagrice: If they can build the Prius in the Camry factory in Japan, why not the Camry factory in KY?
They are not doing that. They are building the HYBRID CAMRY in the PRIUS factory in Japan. Then they are going to build the CAMRY HYBRID in regular Camry plant in Kentucky.
I think a 270,000 sales goal in the USA for the 2007 Prius speaks volumes - if they are planning that many, that means they have their production issues settled.
#81 of 116 Re: Nex Gen Prius set to reach 94 MPG - Toyota goal.... [larsb]
Jun 30, 2006 (2:54 pm)
I think a 270,000 sales goal in the USA for the 2007 Prius
I saw large projections by Toyota back in 2004 for 2005. They squeaked out a bit over 100k last year. Then they had big numbers for 2006 and if the first 5 months are any indication of total yearly sales they will be lucky to provide 90k Prius this year. It is just plain fishy. And if you remember as I do. Toyota produced the Prius II in the Camry factory to start with. You are saying they cannot build a Prius in a Camry factory in KY? With people waiting for the Prius they could not expand operations here or Japan to meet that demand. I am not buying it for a second. It is business as usual for Toyota. Hold the carrot hybrid, while you push the gas guzzlers to the max.
Don't get me wrong it is the capitalist way. Sell what makes you the big bucks. I just want the green image exposed for what it is. The only thing green about Toyota are the US greenbacks being stashed in a Tokyo bank.
#82 of 116 Re: OK pick a side..... [larsb]
Jul 06, 2006 (9:28 am)
As a car company, all you can do is PROVIDE clean cars - you cannot FORCE people to buy them. Toyota PROVIDES more clean cars than anyone else
Yes, same way they PROVIDE more dirty trucks like the many models with the old 4.7l.
New Toyota Motto: we provide the most options rated 2 or lower out of 10.
#83 of 116 It would be the opposite of these vehicles....
Jul 10, 2006 (10:59 am)
Least Green Machines
Dan Lienert, 07.10.06, 12:30 AM ET
Pickups and SUVs dominate our first-ever ranking of the market's least environmentally friendly vehicles.
Bill Ford, chairman and chief executive of Ford Motor, frequently touts the company's environmental friendliness. Ford was the first American car company to offer a gas/electric hybrid vehicle that could run on electricity alone (the Escape Hybrid SUV), and 10.4 acres of plants grow on the roof of the automaker's Dearborn Truck Plant.
But our first-ever ranking of the least environmentally friendly new cars isn't just dominated by pickups and SUVs; five of the seven cars on our list are made by Ford Motor (nyse: F - news - people ). And though domestic manufacturers are rolling out low-emission gas/electric hybrids, such as General Motors' (nyse: GM - news - people ) Saturn Vue Green Line SUV, all seven of the market's least green cars, according to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency's most current data, are American--strong evidence that U.S. automakers are not as serious about clean vehicles as their foreign counterparts are.
#84 of 116 Re: It would be the opposite of these vehicles.... [larsb]
Jul 11, 2006 (6:47 am)
Bill Ford recently backed out of his promise to make all those hybrids he hyped up a few years back, so this is no surprise.