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Automotive News & Views Sales Flops of 2005
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Replying to: drewba (Apr 18, 2006 6:48 pm) 
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Replying to: louiswei (Apr 18, 2006 6:58 pm) |
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Replying to: qbrozen (Apr 19, 2006 10:53 am) |
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Replying to: ateixeira (Mar 22, 2006 2:29 pm) It deserves to flop, what blind guy designed that back end?? However, i actually like the Baja, if my Wife didn't have a Ranger, I would have gotten one.
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Replying to: arkangyl (Apr 20, 2006 4:48 pm)  I'm sure you could have gotten an extremely good deal on it... 
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Replying to: arkangyl (Apr 20, 2006 4:48 pm) and Baja...if my Wife didn't have a Ranger, I would have gotten one But the new Impreza has been a big success. It's an old model, yet sales are way up. And the Baja was the one that flopped. So your opinion seems to be the reverse of the buying public's. -juice |
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Its sold well at intitial launch but its losing alot of sales now. Also Hyundai Sonata is a popular fleet car as is the Pontiac G6. The Ford 500 is doing poorly but its smaller sister car the Fusion Ford is happy with sales with. I think what it comes down too is looks. The Fusion even you don't like it at least on the road you take notice of it. Sure the 500 is bland I don't know in my opinion a big car like the 500 I don't expect it too really stand out. I mean we are talking about a full-size car here. Auto publications were so quick to blast the 500 for bland styling but I just don't expect a car like that too really stand out. I know the Chrysler 300 stands out but is the 300 really a full size car by EPA ratings? I have sat in a 500 and it felt full-size but when I look at a 300 it doesn't look really full-size too me like a Avalon or a 500 would. Keep in mind I have never sat in an Avalon or a 300 but I just viewed them from the outside. |
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Replying to: carguy58 (Apr 22, 2006 10:22 am) It doesn't have enough of an advantage over the TL to justify an almost $15K price premium. Maybe if it came with a V-8, it would sell better. |
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Replying to: carguy58 (Apr 22, 2006 10:22 am) -juice
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Replying to: carguy58 (Apr 22, 2006 10:22 am) By EPA ratings, the 300 is a full-sized car. But also going by EPA ratings, so is the Ford Taurus! The problem, IMO, lies where the EPA has the cutoff for what constitutes a full-sized car. Right now that cutoff is 120 cubic feet of combined interior and trunk volume. Well, your typical Accord, Camry, or Altima is already very close to that, coming in around 117-119 cubic feet. The newest 2007 Camry might actually be considered full-sized! IIRC, the Sonata and Azera are also considered full-sized cars. Something like the 300 comes in at around 121-122 cubic feet, barely over the full-sized cutoff. In contrast, traditional full-sized cars, like the Crown Vic, old-style Caprice, etc, were more like 130 cubic feet or more. The old '93-96 Fleetwood was actually so big that it had 120 cubic feet just in passenger room! You could have cut off the trunk entirely and it STILL would have been a full-sized car. However, I think most of these cars are getting classified as full-sized mainly because of increased headroom. The roofs are getting taller, so that measurement goes up and interior volume goes up. Often though, these supposedly full-sized cars still don't end up feeling all that big inside because they don't have alot of shoulder room, or they have some serious intrusion from the wheel wells, tranny/driveshaft/exhaust hump, too much curvature on the sides, roof, etc. As for the 300 compared to the Avalon or 500, well the 500 has by far the biggest back seat and biggest trunk of the three. I find the 300 to be roomier up front than the 500, though. The seat doesn't sit up as high, but it goes back further from the cowl and I can fit in it more comfortably. In the 500 I feel like I'm sitting in an old pickup truck. High up off the floor, but not much room to stretch out. 300's also have small windows, very thick roof pillars, a high beltline, and tend to come with dark interiors, so that may also make them feel tighter inside.
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