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#57 of 729 Gambit by callmedrfill Nov 22, 2005 (9:01 am)
My bad! I thought the versa was the world's ugliest sedan/hatchback! I didn't know it was a "Mini-crossover" (whatever that is). I'll have to "Reverse my thinking".       Prosa       My point was people with $29k+ to spend on an SUV aren't going to beat a path to Subaru, Outback or not. They need to start with a smaller, lighter, less ambitious SUV, then build a bigger version once acceptance is gained. Just a thought.       DrFill Replies to this message: varmint (Nov 22, 2005 10:37 am) prosa (Nov 22, 2005 1:25 pm)
#58 of 729 Re: Luxury trade-ins up.... [andys120] by lemko Nov 22, 2005 (9:51 am)
Replying to: andys120 (Nov 22, 2005 8:07 am) Forget the Jag, gimme the Bentley Arnage in that picture!
#59 of 729 Re: Gambit [callmedrfill] by varmint Nov 22, 2005 (10:37 am)
Replying to: callmedrfill (Nov 22, 2005 9:01 am) "They need to start with a smaller, lighter, less ambitious SUV, then build a bigger version once acceptance is gained. Just a thought."   Don't let the Forester owners see that.   The problems with the B9 Tribeca are legion. But you can't hold a discussion on the subject without the word "shnoz" showing up. Replies to this message: prosa (Nov 22, 2005 1:25 pm)
#60 of 729 Re: styling styling styling [jlawrence01] by chuck1 Nov 22, 2005 (12:30 pm)
Replying to: jlawrence01 (Nov 22, 2005 8:24 am) "Some of the deals on the 500s and Ford Fusions that are being offered to fleets are surprising to me ... They are priced to move."   Translated - The 500's are not selling well to the public-we have to keep the assembly lines moving - let's blow them out to the rental companies, fleets, etc.   This is one of THE MOST boring cars Ford has EVER DESIGNED. I hear it's getting a "makeover" ASAP! Hopefully, before I'm due a new company car next year! Replies to this message: jlawrence01 (Nov 22, 2005 2:03 pm)
#62 of 729 Re: Andys [callmedrfill] by dewey Nov 22, 2005 (12:39 pm)
Replying to: callmedrfill (Nov 21, 2005 8:36 pm) If the Cayenne sells 1000 a month at $60k, I'd say it was holding it's own! Lexus LX doesn't do that anymore.   I dont think so, 10 months of nosediving sales is not what I call holding its own. A V6 VW Cayenne has to be the biggest joke in the SUV industry!   Cayenne Nosedive Replies to this message: lemmer (Nov 22, 2005 12:43 pm)
#63 of 729 Re: Andys [dewey] by lemmer Nov 22, 2005 (12:43 pm)
Replying to: dewey (Nov 22, 2005 12:39 pm) I would call it holding its own. Check own the other players in that segment and their 2005 sales before you make that call.
#64 of 729 Re: Andys [callmedrfill] by esf Nov 22, 2005 (1:12 pm)
Replying to: callmedrfill (Nov 21, 2005 8:36 pm) It's called the Phaeton, not the "Photon" as you said. And the reason it's so unsuccessful is its two arch rivals: the Audi A8L and the new Mercedes-Benz S-Class. The A8 is updated this year, with the new grille which looks quite handsome on it, along with just a less-bland styling theme. Don't get me wrong- the A8 has been my personal pick since it came out in 2003, it just needs a little more pep. The S-Class... that new one looks disgustingly chunky for a luxury liner, but I'm sure it will blow the Phaeton away. The A8 is almost the same price as the VW, has a better name, a better-designed interior, nicer styling and weighs less. Who would buy the Phaeton with that against it? The S-Class should be the average over spending stupid person's dream machine, with its overdone exterior and interior. The Phaeton is a perfectly nice car, it just doesn't belong there. Replies to this message: lemko (Nov 23, 2005 10:14 am) varmint (Nov 23, 2005 10:28 am) merc1 (Nov 25, 2005 12:52 pm) carguy58 (Nov 26, 2005 12:03 pm) prosa (Nov 26, 2005 7:32 pm)
#65 of 729 Re: Gambit [varmint] by prosa Nov 22, 2005 (1:25 pm)
Replying to: varmint (Nov 22, 2005 10:37 am) They need to start with a smaller, lighter, less ambitious SUV, then build a bigger version once acceptance is gained. Just a thought.    Don't let the Forester owners see that.   As a (proud) new Forester owner, I'd have to disagree. Foresters may be classified as SUV's for emissions and safety-testing purposes but don't really compete for the same buyers. While their seating position is higher than on an ordinary sedan, it is not as high as on a true SUV; seating position is what counts, because it's one of the main motivations - if not the motivation - behind SUV purchases. While some Forester buyers may have considered small SUV's such as Escapes and CR-V's, I believe that most had considered sedans but decided to get something a bit different, with more carrying capacity.
#66 of 729 Re: styling styling styling [chuck1] by jlawrence01 Nov 22, 2005 (2:03 pm)
Replying to: chuck1 (Nov 22, 2005 12:30 pm) Translated - The 500's are not selling well to the public-we have to keep the assembly lines moving - let's blow them out to the rental companies, fleets, etc.   They held the Taurus for an extra year - and probably would have like to kept it for 2-3 more years - in the Fleet sales. However, they were having problems selling the Taurus anymore due to remarketing issues. It is hard to ditch an old model and get any reasonable return for it.   As a fleet manager, I am looking for a reliable car that will be cheap to operate at a good price. I don't care that much about the styling as long as it fits four people. For the most part, I am buying transportation at a good price. And had I had a lower priced option in that category from GM or Chrysler, I would go that way.

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