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#23 of 729 It's kinda funny... by andre1969 Nov 21, 2005 (5:39 am)
how the Lexus LS and Infiniti Q-ship seem to have "grown up" and aged. IMO the old models, especially those first, grille-less Q's, seem down right youthful in comparison!
#24 of 729 Re: what about [nippononly] by prosa Nov 21, 2005 (7:05 am)
Replying to: nippononly (Nov 20, 2005 12:50 am) Pricing is probably the B9 Tribeca's weak point. While the 5-passenger base models can be had for under $30,000, they're few and far between. Almost every model shipped to dealers is a 7-passenger model with leather and is priced in the mid-30s. Come to think of it, Volkswagen is doing basically the same with the new Jetta and Passat, loading up almost all of them with expensive packages. I know, this load-em-up strategy worked fine for Chrysler when it brought out the 300, even today it's hard to find V-6 base models, but the 300 was a big enough hit that Chrysler was able to get away with it. Not so with the Tribeca and Jetta/Passat. As for the Lucerne, GM has excluded it from the Red Tag promotion, which might be a sign of strong sales. Replies to this message: 210delray (Nov 21, 2005 7:08 am)
#25 of 729 Re: what about [prosa] by 210delray Nov 21, 2005 (7:08 am)
Replying to: prosa (Nov 21, 2005 7:05 am) As for the Lucerne, GM has excluded it from the Red Tag promotion, which might be a sign of strong sales.   Maybe wishful thinking?   In reference to Chrysler, the load-em up strategy failed miserably on the Pacifica.
#26 of 729 how about... by au94 Nov 21, 2005 (7:09 am)
the Ford Freestyle and to a lesser extent the 500? I don't see many Freestyles around and it seems that customers just opt for one of the alternatives (SUV or sedan) rather than an attempt at a hybrid. Replies to this message: prosa (Nov 21, 2005 7:12 am)
#27 of 729 Re: how about... [au94] by prosa Nov 21, 2005 (7:12 am)
Replying to: au94 (Nov 21, 2005 7:09 am) There have been rumors that Ford is going to drop the Freestyle. Dunno if they're true, but I certainly don't see many of them on the road. 500's are slightly more common but certainly not as common as they should be.
#28 of 729 I think Chrysler learned a bit... by andre1969 Nov 21, 2005 (7:23 am)
from their mistake on the Pacifica. Took them a long time to learn though, because they did the same thing with the Reliant/Aries in 1981, and the Aspen/Volare in 1976!   When the 300 came out, Chrysler had more of a variety in stock. Also, it seemed like they didn't flood the lots with them at first...they let them trickle in to see which ones the customers wanted. And in a rare occurence, it turns out this was one model where a good chunk of the buyers WANTED the pricier trim level! For awhile, something like 40% of 300 sales were the Hemi C model, leaving the three cheaper lines to scrap for the remaining 60%. In contrast, the vast majority of Intrepids and Concordes were usually the cheapest trim line. And even with cars like the Accord, Camry, and Altima, the top trim levels usually only account for a relative handful of sales. Replies to this message: au94 (Nov 21, 2005 12:16 pm)
#29 of 729 Re: I think Chrysler learned a bit... [andre1969] by au94 Nov 21, 2005 (12:16 pm)
Replying to: andre1969 (Nov 21, 2005 7:23 am) thats the beauty of the Honda and Toyota marketing plans.   They sell the high volume models (think Accord LX, Camry LE) at a great price and well equipped to the majority of their buyers. But for the percentage that wants a baby Lexus or Acura, they can have a V-6, leather clad offering available as well. All off the same platform, same factory etc.   This allows them to make larger margins on the meat and potatoes of the line up, but still not turn off a potential buyer with a few more bucks in their pocket.
#30 of 729 Porsche Cayenne and VW Tauoreg? by martian Nov 21, 2005 (12:20 pm)
Did I spell that right? I hardly ever see these SUVs on the road-are they selling well? Is the rebading issue hurting the cayenne's sales? Whatever, they appear to be very gas-thirsty and ugly to boot-why pay more for one of these when you can get a better SUV for less money? Replies to this message: qbrozen (Nov 21, 2005 12:36 pm) varmint (Nov 21, 2005 1:10 pm) explorerx4 (Nov 21, 2005 5:45 pm) saabgirl (Nov 21, 2005 8:15 pm) and 1 more...
#31 of 729 Re: Porsche Cayenne and VW Tauoreg? [martian] by qbrozen Nov 21, 2005 (12:36 pm)
Replying to: martian (Nov 21, 2005 12:20 pm) actually, i see a relatively large number of cayenne's here in central Jersey. More often than i see toureags (i'm unsure of the spelling as well). As a matter of fact, the only Porsche I see more of is the Boxster. Its quite surprising.
#32 of 729 Now that I think about it... by andre1969 Nov 21, 2005 (12:46 pm)
I think I see the Cayenne a bit more often than the Touraeg ( I had to look it up ) as well.   According to http://www.aicautosite.com/editoria/asmr/svsuv.asp, the Touraeg does outsell the Cayenne...through August 31 the VW sold 11,994 units, vs 8,806 for the Porsche. Not a bad showing overall, though, considering SUVs were a new territory for both of them (well, there was the VW Thing!) I thought the Touraeg was cool from the moment I saw it, but I figured the Cayenne would be a total flop. Replies to this message: prosa (Nov 21, 2005 12:56 pm)

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