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#1 of 36 WVO as a fuel in a 6.0 diesel
Nov 17, 2005 (11:00 pm)
Does anyone have any info. on this? I have bought a product from a company called Diesel Secret Energy (DSE) there web site is www.dieselsecret.com, they show you how to make fuel for your diesel out of waste vegtable oil (WVO). It sounds great, and I know that people are running diesels on WVO but most seem to be using another fuel tank and heating the oil, with this system you do not have to do that. I am just going to make my first batch of fuel but would like to talk to other people that have used this system? I live in central MN. and the weather here is getting quite cold, and I do not want to have any problems with my truck at this time of year?? Would like any info. you might have about this system? Thanks
#2 of 36 Just for clarity
by KCRam@Edmunds HOST
Nov 21, 2005 (6:14 pm)
I have retitled the discussion so that all diesel owners can check in.
kcram - Pickups Host
#3 of 36 Re: WVO as a fuel in a 6.0 diesel [workerbee47]
Nov 29, 2005 (7:40 pm)
Sorry, can't give you an answer but I too have been researching DSE and their product. I have a F250 I want to put it in and I have all the same concerns. I can tell you that I've been looking on the web for complaints about DSE and have not found any yet. I'm trying to avoid buying all the tanks required in making bio-diesel. If I find out more info, I'll let you know. If you use it and have good results, please let me know. V/r
#4 of 36 Re: WVO as a fuel in a 6.0 diesel [workerbee47]
Mar 14, 2006 (7:35 pm)
Keep up the good work, workerbee.
DaimlerChrysler Expands Use of Biodiesel Fuel in Dodge Ram Pickup Trucks
Friday January 20, 3:52 pm ET
* B20 Biodiesel Approved for Government, Military and Commercial Fleets
* Next Step Toward Making Clean, Renewable Biofuels An Option for All Diesel Owners
* Extending the Environmental Benefits of Modern Clean Diesel Technology
AUBURN HILLS, Mich., Jan. 20 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- DaimlerChrysler will expand the use of clean, renewable biodiesel fuel by approving use of B20 (20 percent biodiesel) in Dodge Ram pickup trucks.
Use of B20 is approved effective with the 2007 Model Year and will require use of biodiesel fuel that meets the fuel specifications established by the U.S. military.
Initially, DaimlerChrysler is approving use of B20 in Dodge Ram pickups equipped with Cummins diesel engines for its military, government and commercial fleet customers only. The company is working with the government, automotive suppliers, energy providers, universities and independent agencies on a national fuel standard that would make B20 an option for all owners of Dodge Ram diesels.
"Biofuels represent a huge opportunity to reduce fuel consumption and our dependence on foreign oil," said Chrysler Group President and CEO Tom LaSorda in remarks prepared for the Economic Club of Detroit Jan. 23 meeting.
In addition, biofuels reduce overall emissions of greenhouse gases and tailpipe emissions of particulates and smog-forming compounds. And use of biofuels supports the American agricultural economy.
Promoting increased use of biodiesel is a part of DaimlerChrysler's campaign to re-introduce diesel-powered passenger vehicles to U.S. consumers. Modern, clean diesel vehicles offer fuel economy improvements of 30 percent and reduced greenhouse gas emissions, compared with gas-powered vehicles. At the same time, diesel vehicles provide the power and performance valued by American consumers.
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"The Mercedes E320 full-size sedan, powered by a six-cylinder BLUETEC diesel engine, will be the cleanest diesel in the world," LaSorda said.
Chrysler Group has previously endorsed use of B5 (5 percent biodiesel) fuel in the Jeep® Liberty CRD diesel SUV, and every vehicle is fueled with B5 at the assembly plant in Toledo. In addition, use of B2 is approved for the diesel-powered Dodge Sprinter vans.
Most U.S. biodiesel is made from soy beans. However, DaimlerChrysler is participating in research programs in Germany and India to develop processes for producing high-quality biodiesel from non-food agricultural products.
In the United States, Chrysler Group is participating in an extensive biodiesel research program, including development of a national B20 specification. The research partnership includes Detroit-based nonprofit NextEnergy, Biodiesel Industries, the nation's largest chain of biodiesel refineries, automotive suppliers Bosch, Delphi and Cummins, along with researchers based at Wayne State and Michigan State universities, with initial work to include much-needed research and field testing of biodiesel fuels.
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#5 of 36 Re: WVO as a fuel in a 6.0 diesel [firemedic1]
Apr 24, 2006 (6:50 pm)
I can't offer advice of my own, although I'm getting ready to purchase a diesel and have been researching. I've seen the DSE website. But there are others out there that basically say to avoid the DSE approach...I don't know who to believe.
#6 of 36 Re: WVO as a fuel in a 6.0 diesel [workerbee47]
May 16, 2006 (8:59 am)
The problem with running straight vegtable oil (SVO)is that it is too thick and room temp. The only proven way is to heat SVO to thin it out for you injectors or convert it into BioDiesel using methanol and Lye. BioDiesel still runns into trouble with cold temps, this problem is solved by using a diesel/biodiesel blend. Anything else is just snake oil that you need to put in the same place as the 400 MPG carb and fuel line magnets
#7 of 36 Re: WVO as a fuel in a 6.0 diesel [greaser2]
May 24, 2006 (5:49 pm)
There's no secret. You can buy commercially made biodiesel [here in Seattle it's cheaper than petro #2] or make your own appleseed biodiesel processor using a electric hot-water heater some tanks, plumbing and a pump. DSE is a rip off! SVO/SWO is not good for your vehicle.
#8 of 36 DSE not a good idea
Jul 09, 2006 (5:52 pm)
I have been researching the idea of using Bio-Diesel for the past four years now and am finally going to be getting a new GMC Sierra 3500 or TopKick 4500 truck with the Dura-Max 6.6L Diesel.
Everything I have read about running Bio-Diesel or WVO or even Neat Diesel you should run a two tank system. I am looking at one of those work truck tanks that you usually see with a fuel pump for filling agricultural or construction equipment with. I plan on plumbing it into my main fuel line with a "Y" Valve so that I can start and stop on #2 Diesel and drive or work on Bio-Diesel. The benefits to this approach are: no congealing of fuel in the lines or injectors due to colder temperatures, ability to run regular diesel without contaminating the Bio-Diesel tank, ability to run a blend easily. Plus, if the truck needs servicing I can prove that I have tried running on regular diesel and it makes no difference.
Bio-Fuels are the way to go in my opinion. But, it needs to be preheated to lower the viscosity of the fuel. Currently I am in Texas so it isn't a huge problem during the summer but in the winter it could be. My home state however is the South Western portion of Washington State. This area could cause problems with Bio-Diesel if it congeals. Being in Emergency Response that is something I can not afford. It could be someones life on the line.
Just to sum it all up. I would absolutely reccomend running a TWO TANK SYSTEM!
#9 of 36 Re: DSE not a good idea [kd7cao]
Jul 22, 2006 (6:48 pm)
In cold weather I think a tank of pure biodiesel would congeal. With a Y-valve I can see problems adjusting the blend. The simplest and most trouble free approach is to use one tank and use a biodiesel/petroleum diesel blend in the range approved for your vehicle's engine.
You only need a separate tank if you are using waste vegetable oil or other biofat which has not been transesterified to methyl esters (std biodiesel). WVO is sure to be troublesome and I would think absolutely out of the question if you have emergency responsibilities.
#10 of 36 Solution for Y valve.
Jul 22, 2006 (7:08 pm)
What I plan to do is use the Y valve to allow the Bio Diesel to flow into the engine during normal operating parameters. The engine would actually start and stop on regular diesel. The regular diesel would be used to allow the engine to reach a working temperature during normal operations. I also plan on running a heat exchange into the Biodiesel tank so that it will heat the fuel, this way even if the bio fuel was congealed it could be made into a liquid during cold weather.