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Biodiesel/WVO in HD diesel pickups

36 messages,  Last post on Dec 29, 2008 at 9:29 PM

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What is this discussion about? Ford F350 Pickup, Chevrolet Silverado 3500, Dodge Ram Pickup 3500, Fuel System, Alternative Fuels, Biodiesel, Diesel, Truck

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#27 of 36 Re: ALTERNATIVE ENERGY WEB SITE [jim314] by roland3

Aug 09, 2007 (2:35 pm)

Replying to: jim314 (Aug 09, 2007 2:19 pm)
... Jim, what do you make of the comment that the O2 is benign ?

#28 of 36 Re: ALTERNATIVE ENERGY WEB SITE [roland3] by jim314

Aug 09, 2007 (5:04 pm)

Replying to: roland3 (Aug 09, 2007 2:35 pm)
The presence of O2 would be benign, and in fact would be negligible. The inlet air stream is 20% O2 so the small amount of O2 from electrolysis of water would be utterly negligible.
 
The O2 and the H2 are generated at the two separate electrodes in the electrolysis unit, and are then evidently combined, according to the diagram in the video, and fed into the inlet combustion air stream at some point, whether before or after the turbocharger is not clear to me.
 
What is the cost of one of these units, including installation?

#29 of 36 Re: ALTERNATIVE ENERGY WEB SITE [jim314] by roland3

Aug 10, 2007 (12:04 am)

Replying to: jim314 (Aug 09, 2007 5:04 pm)
... Jim, the only thing I saw on the site was a way to contact a salesman. Yes, you are right. Just about no difference in 02, so it's strictly the hydrogen.

#30 of 36 Re: ALTERNATIVE ENERGY WEB SITE [jim314] by jim314

Aug 10, 2007 (4:42 pm)

Replying to: jim314 (Aug 09, 2007 2:19 pm)
This suggests that to be effective the hydrogen should be present at 21% to 50% of the amount of hydrocarbon fuel.
 
So the 0.023% H2 that the Hy-Drive system delivers is over 900 times too small to produce an effect.

#31 of 36 Re: NEVER USE A HEATER FOR DIESEL FUEL TANK [roland3] by 0patience

Aug 10, 2007 (5:32 pm)

Replying to: roland3 (Aug 08, 2007 1:35 am)
due to almost all (or all) large trucks having some fuel bypassed back to the tank(s) the fuel tank(s) do NOT remain at outside air ambient temp, but gradually warm up.
That would be correct.
 
hmmm, he may drive the trucks, but as someone who works on them, the newer Cummins engines run the fuel through a a plate on the side of the engine (mostly to cool the ECM), but it also heats the fuel even more. The heated fuel is then returned to the tank (diesels don't use all the fuel that is pumped to the injectors).
 
So on some days where it is really cold, you can see steam coming off the fuel tanks. I've seen fuel tanks that would get around 90 degrees in 20 degree weather.

#32 of 36 Re: ALTERNATIVE ENERGY WEB SITE [jim314] by roland3

Aug 10, 2007 (8:20 pm)

Replying to: jim314 (Aug 10, 2007 4:42 pm)
... Jim, when I first heard about this device about six months back (without much detail) I thought they were just trying to supplement fuel by breaking down the water; however their claim is that the small amount of hydrogen excites and gives the Diesel fuel a better burn. Well I'd like a grant to do a study and of course I want a synthetic sapphire window in a combustion chamber.

#33 of 36 Re: ALTERNATIVE ENERGY WEB SITE [jim314] by jim314

Aug 12, 2007 (7:20 pm)

Replying to: jim314 (Aug 10, 2007 4:42 pm)
The percent H2 is probably 21% to 50% of the total rather than of the hydrocarbon fuel.

#34 of 36 Who does the best Veg Oil Conversion in CA? by vlane

Oct 02, 2008 (5:20 pm)

I'm in California and suffering from high gas prices. In my business we use diesel trucks to haul equipment and I have been told to look into Veg Oil conversion for lower fuel costs and better vehicle performance. If all of this is true who should I talk to in California? What says you?

#35 of 36 Re: Who does the best Veg Oil Conversion in CA? [vlane] by jim314

Oct 02, 2008 (7:31 pm)

Replying to: vlane (Oct 02, 2008 5:20 pm)
Veg oil conversion would have a significant up-front cost (extra tank for the oil, valving to start and stop with diesel in the fuel system), would violate the vehicle warranty, would be a maintenance burden, and still have costs for the veg oil. Veg oil conversion is for enthusiasts only.

#36 of 36 Alternator location on a..... by paganmomma

Dec 29, 2008 (9:29 pm)

Hi, I have a question about a 1986 Dodge daytona, 4cyl, turbo.
 
        A friend of mine need a new alternator put into her daytona, i was just wondering if anyone knows the location of it. I have not looked at the vehicle yet, just wanting to know location for charge rate.

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