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Hyundai Azera, Toyota Avalon, Ford Five Hundred, Chevrolet Impala, Ford Taurus, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#797 of 863 Re: Avalon [captain2]
Oct 08, 2007 (12:06 pm)
Had a 2003 Camry XLE V6 and traded up to an Azera at 67,000 miles. Just didn't like the Avalon inside or out and hard to get ESC. Also, dealer offered very little off on a Limited and very little for my car compared to Hyundai.
The current styling of Toyota Avalon and Lexus ES and GS just does not appeal to me.
My Camry was excellent, but have a friend who had a 2003 Camry SE-problems with a part on the engine melting, sunroof "struts" breaking, etc. at about 40,000 miles and Toyota would not repair any of it. He got an Acura (3rd one).
Check out Consumer Reports annual car issue, esp. the reliability of the Lexus GS.
Will admit that when Toyota realized it was losing quality a year or two ago, they did slow down the assembly lines and increase inspections.
Toyota has made great cars and comparively speaking still does, but the competition is heating up.
#798 of 863 Re: Avalon [barnstormer64]
Oct 08, 2007 (12:11 pm)
I have TPMS on my wife's RAV4 and appreciate it. However, I do not believe it actually measures it accurately to within one or two pounds as we should. That's why I still check mine periodically.
Also, if the tires are rotated, it cancels the TPMS and you have to re-set it.
Also, Fix-A-Flat will destroy the TPMS sensors.
#799 of 863 Re: Avalon [scbob]
Oct 09, 2007 (5:50 am)
suggest a high degree of correlation between 'newness' of product lines, production numbers - and any perceived (or real) incidence of problems. Using Toyota as the 'fall guy', it must also be noted that every vehicle starting all the way up at FS PU trucks and only excluding the Mexican built Corolla are new and reengineered vehicles since 2005- let 'Detroit' try that and we would have bodies in the streets - literally.
#800 of 863 Re: Avalon [captain2]
Oct 13, 2007 (1:56 pm)
Sorry, I am having trouble understanding what you are trying to say.
#801 of 863 Re: Avalon [scbob]
Oct 14, 2007 (7:41 am)
Even though my Accord has only 25K on it, I'll be buying a new car in the next year. The Accord will go to my youngest daughter who, by then, will have her license.
I've been all over the place researching what car to get. Should I get a "fun" car like the Infiniti G35, a totally practical car like one of the hybrids, or one that will suit the family well with comfort for long trips.
I had never considered Hyundai products, but, due to a recent thread, went to test the Sonata, which I wasn't a big fan of, especially due to its interior design. However, the Azera piqued my interest. Liked the interior/exterior design much better. Went for a test drive and it's moved to the top of my list for a variety of reasons. It has room, is comfortable, has all the amenities that I might want, is reliable (so far in its early history), has the warranty, has plenty of power, and looks to my eyes to be quite attractive, especially with the black exterior/tan leather interior.
The price is amazing. The dealer, knowing that I wouldn't be buying for a while, tried to tempt me with the Limited for about 23K, including destination, but not tax/license.
When I look at other cars, for instance the Avalon or new Accord, I couldn't get nearly the car for that same amount. It's not ever close. Money isn't my only consideration, but, geez, I liked the ride in the Azera more than the Accord or the Avalon. It's almost a no brainer for me.
The downsides were that the Azera seemed to recognize road irregularities more than even my present Accord. Hopefully, the 2008's will address this issue. I don't really want navigation or a moonroof, so the fact that these aren't incorporated into the car doesn't really bother me. Moonroofs are an option and navigation soon will be. I'd also like a CD changer rather than a single disc unit, but, at the price of the option, wouldn't do it, in that I listen primarily to talk radio.
No doubt, my mind could waiver quite a bit as I get closer to actually buying, but, for now, the Azera heads my list. This from someone who wouldn't even consider a Hyundai product a few months ago.
#802 of 863 Re: Avalon [scbob]
Oct 14, 2007 (1:10 pm)
rather simple, pretty much every vehicle you find on Toyota/Lexus lots are or were new designs no later than 2005, primarily to the line wide adoption of the 2GR drivetrain while those "American" mfgrs are still using 10-50 year old drivetrain vintages. Take the Lucerne, for example, both the vintage 3.8 or even the slightly more current, Northstar are both established designs and logically would have fewer 'teething' problems. Don't
believe this to truly be the case in the specific example of the Toyota V6, but this is an engine which might possibly the best V6 out there at any price is a good example of what can be done with some R&D money - something Toyota has plenty of, and is seriously in short supply over at Ford/GM/Chrysler.
#803 of 863 Re: Avalon [keitha3]
Oct 14, 2007 (3:29 pm)
Re 801: "The downsides were that the Azera seemed to recognize road irregularities more".
That, is a diplomatic way of saying Azera has a lousy and noisy suspension system, which is my biggest compliant. Other than that, you'll be hard pressed to find the combination of features, warranty and price from ANY manufacturer, especially Honda/Toyota.
#804 of 863 Re: Avalon [dborth]
Oct 14, 2007 (4:10 pm)
Yes, I was being diplomatic.
But I was surprised. On my test drive, it was like it was braille reading the road. Other than that, it seems so well thought out.
Do you know if they're doing anything to correct the problem?
#805 of 863 Re: Avalon [keitha3]
Oct 15, 2007 (3:16 am)
Re 804: The following is from a recent press release for '08 Azera. See below (suspension)
NEW EQUIPMENT HIGHLIGHTS FOR 2008
ˇ 17-inch alloy wheels now standard on GLS
ˇ Bodycolor rocker panels added to GLS
ˇ GLS Premium Package (includes leather heated front seats and sunroof)
ˇ Side mirror turn signal indicators standard on all Limited models
ˇ Power sunroof standard on all Limited models
ˇ InfinityŽ audio system standard on all Limited models
ˇ LG navigation system available on Limited trim level
ˇ Suspension enhanced for improved ride and handling
ˇ Azera SE discontinued
#806 of 863 Re: Avalon [dborth]
Oct 15, 2007 (5:28 am)
Sounds good. Hopefully, it will live up to expectations. Like the part about improved handling as well, although I would expect it to be slight.