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Re: Avalon [thegraduate] by cobrazera
Sep 28, 2007 (5:56 pm)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Sep 28, 2007 2:02 pm)

Ain't it the truth. The average car buyer would much rather spend his money on a stereo upgrade, or shiny wheels, or whatever; than on stability control, or ABS, or curtain airbags, or any other safety equipment.
The cars on lots are spec'd out accordingly. If such equipment is not standard, odds are you're not going to find it in large numbers.
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Re: Avalon [cobrazera] by bhmr59
Sep 28, 2007 (8:08 pm)
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Replying to: cobrazera (Sep 28, 2007 5:56 pm)

I don't know how you determine the "aveage car buyer." Maybe it's within your peer group. The average 25 yr old may have different priorities than the 35 yr old, who may have different priorities than the 45 yr old and so on.
 
Anyone with hearing loss, and there are a lot us (not just old folks) don't care all that much about "killer" stereo systems. Shiny wheels? Yeah, they usually look good but they don't do anything for you when you're driving the car and others only really get to notice them when you're stopped or parked.
 
Safety features and cabin interior (like the grad says) are higher on my list than some exterior feature that might impress someone I don't even know.
 
Frankly, I don't buy a car to try to impress anyone. I buy based upon what I can afford and will give me the most value, comfort, features, dependability, etc for the money.
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Re: Avalon [bhmr59] by cobrazera
Sep 29, 2007 (3:19 am)
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Replying to: bhmr59 (Sep 28, 2007 8:08 pm)

Way back before airbags were mandated by the government, General Motors made them an option - I believe they were around $250. Guess what, very few people wanted them enough to pay the extra money. Same thing with ABS.
IMO, the sales manager at the dealership will order cars for the lot equipped with options the average buyer ( who is not really very well informed ) desires and will likely pay extra for. Maybe you don't buy a car to impress other people, but a lot of people do.
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Re: Avalon [thegraduate] by tjc78
Sep 29, 2007 (4:27 am)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Sep 28, 2007 2:02 pm)

Hey Grad,
 
You may have a good point here. I checked four local dealers only found a handful of XL models and none had SC. Really surprised me, I guess I am so used to seeing the XL come in at just under 30K I assumed SC when in reality they are all equipped with moonroofs instead. I know when I was shopping the Touring and XLS all had SC installed (in a package that includes heated seats) I am in southern NJ just outside Philadelphia.
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Re: Avalon [tjc78] by bobber1
Sep 29, 2007 (7:42 am)
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Replying to: tjc78 (Sep 29, 2007 4:27 am)

When I was shopping for my new Taurus, I wanted stability control on the base model. It was an option, but when I did a local dealer search almost none of them had it included on the cars on the lot. They all had convenience packages, but few safety packages. The reply I got from the dealers was the Taurus is really safe car without stability control. I don't disagree, but some families are going to want the safest car possible which in my book includes stability control
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Re: Avalon [bobber1] by scbob
Sep 29, 2007 (8:53 am)
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Replying to: bobber1 (Sep 29, 2007 7:42 am)

I looked at the Avalon, but really didn't like it all that much.
  But one problem with the Avalon Limited with ESC was that they would have to get one from another dealer and it was very far away. So, not as good a deal. Then I had to take my fourth choice color and options I did not want.
   Ended up with an Azera and got my first choice in color and options. Of course, it was also about $5,000 cheaper comparably, or better, equipped.
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Customers won't pay for safety? I think it's the opposite. by tonycd
Sep 29, 2007 (9:59 pm)
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Replying to: cobrazera (Sep 28, 2007 5:56 pm)

Take that example above about the 2% of Avalon XL's that have ESC.
 
What I get out of that is, carmakers know the public wants the safety features, so they hold them hostage to higher trim levels, useless sunroofs, etc, and make 'em pay for everything to get the one thing they really want.
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Re: Customers won't pay for safety? I think it's the opposite. [tonycd] by derrelhgreen
Sep 29, 2007 (11:52 pm)
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Replying to: tonycd (Sep 29, 2007 9:59 pm)

A perfect example of why we bought our Azzy over and above those
"they hold them hostage to higher trim levels" manufactures!
 
Time for someone in charge at those 'other' companies to wake up and smell the roses.
 
 
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Re: Customers won't pay for safety? I think it's the opposite. [tonycd] by tjc78
Sep 30, 2007 (4:36 am)
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Replying to: tonycd (Sep 29, 2007 9:59 pm)

"so they hold them hostage to higher trim levels, useless sunroofs, etc"
 
If you remember it was the same way for ABS. I think GM was one of the first manufacturers to make it standard on base model vehicles.
 
P.S. I like my sunroof!
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Re: Avalon [bobber1] by tjc78
Sep 30, 2007 (4:42 am)
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Replying to: bobber1 (Sep 29, 2007 7:42 am)

"The reply I got from the dealers was the Taurus is really safe car without stability control"
 
I think to an extent almost all cars today are "safe" Airbags, crumple zones, etc. IMO SC does not make a car any safer, its makes it more likely for someone doing something foolish to get out of trouble. There is a common misunderstanding that SC helps a vehicle handle better. It doesn't. Actually, on a test track it probably takes over before the actual limits of the car.

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