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#48 of 863 Hyundai Prices Azera
Dec 02, 2005 (10:34 am)
For anyone who might have missed it, this is copied from the Edmunds Sedans newsletter:
"Hyundai last week said its new Azera full-size sedan would be priced very competitively with the Ford Five Hundred, Nissan Maxima and Toyota Avalon, its prime competition. The Azera SE -- with standard 263-hp, 3.8-liter V6; eight airbags; stability control; and a five-speed automatic -- will retail from $24,995, Hyundai says. The Limited model will be priced from $27,495 with added equipment like a CD changer and foglamps; and the Ultimate Package on the Azera Limited with leather trim and other features brings the price of that model to $29,995. The Azera goes on sale late this year, but Hyundai will be advertising the vehicle heavily in the beginning of 2006 as more vehicles arrive in showrooms."
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#49 of 863 Re: Hyundai Prices Azera [pat]
Dec 02, 2005 (10:47 am)
Seems like a very good price. The Avalon limited is around $33-34 I believe?
Hyundai is putting together attractive products. It's surprising how fast Hyundai has changed its offerings.
#50 of 863 Re: Have you even DRIVEN a 500? [barnstormer64]
Dec 02, 2005 (11:35 am)
You are quite right. The 500 is not underpowered. We have become obsessed with 0-60 acceleration numbers. The difference of .5 second or even a second or even 2 seconds is not perceptible in real world driving. Ok, if people want to haul heavy loads and drive like a fool, get a V-8. The 500 should have an optional engine, but we will have to wait for that. Americans are obsessed with mine is bigger than yours.
#51 of 863 Re: Have you even DRIVEN a 500? [bruneau1]
Dec 02, 2005 (12:08 pm)
If you can't tell the difference through the seat of the pants between a car that takes 8 seconds to 60 and 10 seconds to 60, you need to have the seat of your pants examined (same goes for the 6 second to 8 second comparison).
Also, I can feel a difference between an Accord I4 5A and a Camry I4 5A, two cars separated in acceleration by about half a second to 60.
#52 of 863 Re: Have you even DRIVEN a 500? [alpha01]
Dec 02, 2005 (12:49 pm)
I am sure what bruneau1 means and what was stated was that IN REAL WORLD DRIVING the differences are imperceptible.
Really, how many time does the average driver put the pedal to the floor from 0-60, or even get the opportunity to do that? Almost never. Thus, whether your car gets to 60 in 8 seconds 6 is 99% of the time not important, if people were honest enough to admit it.
The HP wars have gotten ridiculous. I am old enough to have owned a 1977 Buick Century with a 350 cubic inch 2 barrel V-8 that was slower than even my 1990 Vulcan Taurus and had not much better than 1/2 the fuel efficiency. Now I own a 2000 Duratec equipped Taurus that has about more guts than anyone really needs for everyday driving, and the Five Hundred with either the six speed or CVT is just about as quick as my lighter weight Taurus.
#53 of 863 Re: Have you even DRIVEN a 500? [badgerfan]
Dec 02, 2005 (1:37 pm)
If we all drove only what we needed, we'd all be in base model Ford Focuses, Toyota Corollas, maybe a minivan, etc. No one truly needs an Avalon, Impala, Five Hundred, Maxima, etc.
I consider the world I drive to be just as real as anyone elses and even in my daily driving I can definitely tell the difference between our 265hp Maxima and our 200hp Impala. I don't have to put the pedal to the floor to both notice and appreciate the difference, either. The Maxima is so much stronger, smoother, and has a sweet exhaust note. Both cars get roughly the same fuel economy, so why wouldn't I want the one that can be funner to drive? I suppose that if one is numbered among those poor souls stuck in mindnumbing, bumper to bumper stop and go traffic day in and day out then they might not appreciate the difference in performance. Then again, they probably also would not perceive the added benefits of full independent suspension, 4 wheel disk brakes, etc.
#54 of 863 Re: Have you even DRIVEN a 500? [scramblinman]
Dec 02, 2005 (2:02 pm)
MSRP of base 2006 3.5 litre Impala is over $6k less than the base Maxima, I would hope your getting something for that!
#55 of 863 Re: Have you even DRIVEN a 500? [badgerfan]
Dec 02, 2005 (3:51 pm)
Good point. Any Impala with an MSRP at or above $26.3K is either a 3LT, LTZ, or SS- meaning its 242 horses or 303.
(A 211 hp 2LT with every option is $26,250, and the 3LT actually starts at $24.5K MSRP).
This is the problem with the one-engine-size-fits-few Ford Five Hundred; regardless of dollars paid, you're still getting a slow (for the class) vehicle.
#56 of 863 back in the day...
Dec 02, 2005 (6:04 pm)
a 200 hp sho was a lot of car.
what has changed? 1 second better to 60?
#57 of 863 Re: back in the day... [explorerx4]
Dec 02, 2005 (7:57 pm)
Actually it was 220 HP. But the Taurus SHO is smaller and lighter than the 500. FORD really goofed in the engine department. As to people saying the 500 has adequate power; sure for 80 year olds living in a small towns whose only driving is to and from the grocery store. But most people do a lot highway and interstate driving that requires quick merging in the least possible time.