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Hyundai Azera, Toyota Avalon, Ford Five Hundred, Chevrolet Impala, Ford Taurus, Car Comparisons, Sedan
Dec 02, 2005 (12:37 am)
"My other issue is just that a 3.0L engine putting out barely over 200 horses isn't good enough anymore. The Duratec is a fine engine, but it's being laden with an AWD system, making the power a bit deficient."
• Voluminous interior space, nice appointments
• Refined, well-controlled handling
• Sharp steering, good brakes
• Engine sadly underspec'd
• Fit and finish not yet up to the best Japanese/German standards
• Styling not for everyone"
#42 of 863 Re: Have you even DRIVEN a 500? [barnstormer64]
Dec 02, 2005 (12:43 am)
"Yeah, you will probably beat my 70 year old parents and their Avalon to the next stoplight. I'm not exactly sure what bragging rights that gives anyone."
$20 says I'll beat at least 90% of those my age driving one, too. Why? They bought the car for status, not to actually use the driving performance capabilities.
Do you not understand that you are not "beating" someone who isn't even trying? Avalon drivers must thoroughly humiliate every Five Hundred they encounter lest they be deemed mere status seekers? Have you even driven a new Avalon and seen how much more refined and better equipped it is than a Five Hundred? We certainly know that people are not buying Five Hundreds for their performance capabilities.
Dang, the next time I manage to out-accelerate a Five Hundred or any other new car from a stoplight in my 23 year old 82hp CJ8 I'll have to remind myself what a great driver I am and how competitive my Jeep is.
#43 of 863 Re: Have you even DRIVEN a 500? [barnstormer64]
Dec 02, 2005 (5:46 am)
only has to do with Ford's astounding track record of putting well assembled and reliable vehicles on the road. Can't think of one - at least in the last 50 years - well after, however, when the Red Sea parted...
Dec 02, 2005 (6:22 am)
This car isn't even in the showroom yet. So we have to compare a video of it to these other cars? What if it has the lame driver's seat init like the Sonata?
I wouldn't want to buy a first year edition of any Korean car considering their reputation. Aren't they having a fire sale on the XG350 now?
#45 of 863 Re: Azera [leadfoot6]
Dec 02, 2005 (7:22 am)
and you're right - awfully hard to truly evaluate a car not really available yet. Hyundai has, however, been doing a much better job with quality. Don't know how the new Sonata V6 is fairing but was pretty impressed (for as car costing less than $20k ) esp. with the drivetrain. The Azera has the power, and general other specs. that it should be competitive - we'll see. Yeah, would imagine they are giving away the XG350. The real problem may be that 'Korean' reputation, and how it effects resale values.
#46 of 863 Re: Have you even DRIVEN a 500? [captain2]
Dec 02, 2005 (7:52 am)
There are plenty of Fords on the road that are well assembled and reliable, they just get no respect.
I have had two Tauri, a 1990 stripped Vulcan LX that served me well for ten years and 100K miles. This car for it's time handled and drove very well and never developed any squeeks or rattles.
My current 2000 SES Duratec is at 56K and has been rock solid, handles well. Yes you can call it blah and a rental car and the usual press cliches, but it is solid and well built. Furthermore I bought it new out the door for $18K. You couldn't find any V-6 CamCord for anywhere near that price at the time, and still can't find one even near $20K today.
Avalon is pushing into luxury car prices, and well it should with all the bells and whistles they have loaded onto even the base model. If you compared more on comparable price ranges, then Toyota, Honda and Nissan don't really have much to offer anymore, as Maxima and Avalon have priced themselves into the luxury ranges these days, and Honda has nothing to compete against the Five-hundred in the large car, reasonably low price market.
#47 of 863 Re:Have you ever driven a 500
Dec 02, 2005 (9:22 am)
I believe power is both overrated and subjective. The 500 merges well and has enough power to pass easily. It doesn't snap your head back from a stop, however, if thats what's important to you. My favorite guage of what is sufficient is whether the car needs to downshift going up hills on the highway at 65. The 500 with the 6 speed doesn't, so I'd call it good enough. For $8k or more less than the Avalon, you should expect some compromises, whether its power, features, or quality of interior. Most liokely a combination of all. Thank god Ford didn't switch to RWD. Chryslers 'hot' new cars are essentially 4 passenger vehicles replacing competent 5-6 passenger cars. While many folks on these forums are too young to remember, there were very good reasons for the switch to FWD in the first place.