Last post on Dec 26, 2005 at 3:11 PM
You are in the Honda Civic
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Honda Civic, Mazda MAZDA3, Sedan
#4 of 13 Re: 2006 Civic LX or 2006 Mazda3 i Touring [dinh1976]
Nov 15, 2005 (1:37 pm)
I purchased a Honda Pilot when they first came out and was quite frustrated with the number trips back to the dealer for repair. This was my first experience with a Honda. Dealer service was great but became to familiar with the service department. I sold it after two years and yes resale was good.
I plan to purchase a 3 when my dealer can get the right color. Also, you get a much better warranty with Mazda.
#5 of 13 Re: 2006 Civic LX or 2006 Mazda3 i Touring [reichowjr]
Nov 15, 2005 (6:39 pm)
Cross posting from the corolla/honda/mazda thread:
On the 2006 Civic, you'll either love or hate the new "space-age" dashboard with digital speedometer (I didn't care for it). I drove to the dealer in my 1997 Civic. Surprisingly the 2006 did not feel more powerful than the 1997 despite the extra horsepower. LX model has rear drum brakes not disc brakes. Pluses of the new Civic inlude standard ABS and side airbags on all Lx and ex models, standard combo cd/mp3 cd player, and clearly the best gas mileage with an epa rated 40 mpg highway. However the dealer had no LX models with AT on the lot and would order one only at full msrp.
Finally I test drove a Mazda3i touring. The salesman had me drive it on a winding country road with lots of hills. Smart move. No hesitation of the engine in uphill driving. Curves are taken almost like you were in a BMW. Its not a sports car but close to it. Its fun to drive. Driver's seat has adjustable lumbar support (not present in either of the other cars). Steering column is completely adjustable. 4 wheel disc brakes. 205/55 16 inch tires really grip the road. ABS and SAB or optional but they had a large selection of cars equipped that way on the lot. Gas mileage is clearly the worst of the group. Figure on $800-1000 off msrp.
I settled on a red Mazda3 because it looked great and did not drive like an economy car.
#6 of 13 Re: 2006 Civic LX or 2006 Mazda3 i Touring [robl1]
Nov 15, 2005 (11:56 pm)
Is the Mazda3 to which you refer an automatic transmission model? I am torn between 3 GT 5 door (2.3l, 5AT) and Civic EX (1.8l, 5AT). No where near the dealer is hilly for a test, but where I typically drive is part hilly mountain, part flat highway. If the 2.0l 4AT 3i does well, then I am sure the 2.3l 5AT 3s will do as well or better.
A MZ3 GT 5 door is close to a entry lux car (Xenons, Leather, Climate control), while the Civic is, at heart, an economy car.
Both are great, its just hard to choose! (BTW Corolla should just be branded "2006 Toyota Compact CAR" it is so boring! Smaller than the "2006 Toyota Midsize CAR" aka Camry.)
#7 of 13 Re: 2006 Civic LX or 2006 Mazda3 i Touring [claudius753]
Nov 16, 2005 (9:14 am)
Yes mine is with automatic transmission and 2.0 engine. I'm sure yours would be even more powerful. However, again, the gas mileage of a civic would be much better.
#8 of 13 Civic is more reliable
Nov 17, 2005 (11:07 am)
Reliability is the most important thing in a vehicle and gas mileage should be close to the second most important. Comfort and convenience should also be at the top of the list and the civic provides all three and most dealerships like ours will give a very fair price over the internet very close to invoice. Civic has better acceleratiion even though the mazda has more horsepower. The braking system in the civic is also more sophisticated. Consider this when buying a car.
#9 of 13 Re: Civic is more reliable [hondasalesman]
Nov 17, 2005 (12:02 pm)
Civic has better acceleratiion even though the mazda has more horsepower. The braking system in the civic is also more sophisticated.
What independent sources/tests are you using to make these statements?
#10 of 13 Re: 2006 Civic LX or 2006 Mazda3 i Touring [dinh1976]
Nov 17, 2005 (4:04 pm)
Thanks all of you for the advices. Today, I just bought the Mazda3 2.0 Touring with Auto Trans and an AntiLock Brakes/SAB/SAC Package. The MSRP for this vehicle is $17,945 and the invoice is $16,999. I only paid $15,540, which are $1,500 below the invoice and $2,400 below the MSRP price. A dealer charged $500 for document fees that is one thing that I didnít like, so a total drive out the door included 6% sales tax and document fees is $17,000.
I plan to keep this vehicle for at least 7 years or more, so I bought extended warranty for this vehicle for 7 years / 100,000 miles at $870 more. I know the manufacture warranty is 4 years / 50,000 miles. I believed I made a good decision on this because I read some discussions at CR about people have brake problem for some Mazda models. If anyone replaces 4 rotors, it will come them at least $800 and my extended warranty also cover the brake rotors.
For Honda Civic LX with Auto Trans, I have tried to contact the salesman at the dealer that I have visited and he told me that he has to sell at MSRP, which is $17,860. I was tried to negotiate with him on the phone about the price and he told me that he will call me back later, but he never did. I believe the Civic is hot in the compact cars market today because of everyone had to pay over $3 per gallons last September.
Thank you again for all advices that helped me had more confidence to choose the Mazda3 over the Honda Civic. Few people recommended me to add the AntiLock Brakes/SAB/SAC Package and I did add this on the Mazda3, but I did not get the color that I wanted. Too bad!
#11 of 13 Re: Civic is more reliable [autonomous]
Nov 22, 2005 (10:26 am)
What independent sources/tests are you using to make these statements?
I think his Edmunds ID tells us all we need to know about what car he recommends.
Note how he listed reliability, gas mileage and comfort as the things that should be at "the top of the list" for all car buyers. Of course he didn't mention handling and fun-to-drive, since the Mazda3 walks all over the Civic in that department.
BTW, how 'bout safety? The 2006 Mazda3 hasn't had any recalls. As for the 2006 Civic, NHTSA says, "IF THE ACCELERATOR PEDAL IS NOT INSERTED PROPERLY, THE PEDAL CAN COME LOOSE FROM THE PEDAL STOPPER CAUSING THE THROTTLE TO BECOME STUCK INCREASING THE RISK OF A CRASH."
Hmmm, I don't think stuck throttles are at the "top of the list" for any car buyer! Better get a reliable, fun-to-drive Mazda3 just to stay safe out there!
#12 of 13 Re: 2006 Civic LX or 2006 Mazda3 i Touring [dinh1976]
Nov 22, 2005 (10:40 am)
As someone else mentioned, it is generally not wise to buy first year models, even Hondas. We leased a 02 CR-V (freshly redesigned) and although we generally loved the vehicle, it had numerous issues that were annoying. I would have to imagine they have subsequently buttoned down. I was cross shopping the exact vehicles you were looking at, and I liked the Honda more (felt better to me and the safety features were a big issue). However, I will not buy a first year model. In the end I decided to buy out my 02 Accord SE lease and wait a couple of years. But if I had to buy something right now, I'd probably by the Mazda because it is currently proven and definitely not a bad vehicle.
#13 of 13 If anyone is still interested
Dec 26, 2005 (3:11 pm)
we can continue this here: Honda Civic vs Mazda3 ... see ya there.