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Acura RL, Audi A6, BMW 5 Series, Cadillac STS, Cadillac CTS, Infiniti M35, Infiniti M45, Lexus GS 300, Lexus IS 350, Sedan
#1 of 102 FWD, AWD, RWD and the Luxury Performance Sedans
Nov 03, 2005 (11:15 am)
So as not to get too far off topic in the LPS forum, let's discuss the virtues of these drivetrain layouts as they pertain to luxury performance sedans here.
I will start by saying that to be taken serious in the LPS market, you must at least offer a RWD platform. AWD is great, but a front-biased/primarily front drive AWD system (as in the Acura RL) is no substitute for good ol' RWD. A 50/50 split doesn't cut it either (as with Audi's new A6). For driving pleasure, it's got to be RWD or a minimum of rear-biased/primarily rear drive AWD.
Counter-points? Opinions? Insults?
#2 of 102 Re: FWD, AWD, RWD and the Luxury Performance Sedans [tayl0rd]
Nov 04, 2005 (1:24 am)
I think AWD is ok, but FWD isn't - for this class. Audi does offer a V8 something Acura doesn't which I think makes all the difference in the world to some folks.
Now when Audi updates the Quattro system in the A6 to that of the RS4 then they'll have that all-important 40/60 rwd bias.
#4 of 102 FWD, AWD, RWD
Dec 06, 2005 (5:58 pm)
I think that in this segment, the cars are predominantly too heavy, too long, too saddled by electronic nannies, typically equipped with automatic transmissions, and tuned from the factory to understeer at the limit.
These aren't cars you take to the track, and where on public roads can you begin to approach the limits of a 300+ HP car wearing 10" wide performance tires?
With a few exceptions, I think the majority of people buying these cars care about how fast they accelerate in a straight line, how comfortable/quiet/feature laden they are, and the perceived social status they represent.
I really don't think it makes a difference what the drivetrain layout is.
Just my $0.02
#5 of 102 Re: FWD, AWD, RWD [fedlawman]
Dec 07, 2005 (11:12 am)
You might want to check out the Luxury Performance Sedans forum. Apparently it makes a HUGE difference in which wheels are driven. Most of the folks there and in this class seem to prefer RWD.
#6 of 102 Re: FWD, AWD, RWD [tayl0rd]
Dec 13, 2005 (4:58 am)
Ok I'll bite One of the reasons I bought the G3x was because of the 100% rwd bias of it's awd. It handles like a rwd sports sedan until slip is detected. The BMW X series, Audi and, Volvo all split torque distribution by some ratio, front to back at all times. The Infiniti is unique with their application of AWD and I love the way it works!
Fedlawman, before you start with the "its a overweight behemoth", yes the awd g is 180lbs heavier than the rwd only version. I do not track this car so I wasn't buying it to take to Road America or to AutoX meets.
In my opinion and on the roads that I drive, the awd version of the G35 is the Best application of awd in a entry level performance sedan
Flame suit ON
#7 of 102 Re: FWD, AWD, RWD [mnrep2]
Apr 13, 2006 (9:04 am)
Flame suit ON
Gee, what's worse?
1) Donning your Nomex and weathering a bazillion flames.
2) Donning your Nomex and sweating to death with nary a flame in sight.
Sorry, couldn't resist.
#8 of 102 Re: FWD, AWD, RWD [shipo]
Apr 13, 2006 (3:01 pm)
This discussion has no categories - that's why it's not attracting any attention. Tell me on which vehicle searches this discussion should appear and consider it done! I can go up to nine different ones.
#9 of 102 Re: FWD, AWD, RWD [pat]
Apr 19, 2006 (10:17 am)
Luxury Performance Sedans
Entry-level Luxury Performance Sedans
Performance Cars (if there is such a forum)
#10 of 102 Re: FWD, AWD, RWD [tayl0rd]
Apr 19, 2006 (12:54 pm)
Needs to be specific vehicles. I can list up to 9. Then this discussion will appear anytime someone searches for any of those specific vehicles.