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Re: Direct Injection [zman3] by drwilsc
Mar 02, 2008 (4:16 pm)
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Replying to: zman3 (Mar 02, 2008 8:31 am)

Actually, someone had posted on this forum a few weeks ago that all 2009 Lambdas will have the DI engine, although I would like to know his/her source. Also would like to know if the DI engine will be standard or optional.
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Re: Direct Injection [drwilsc] by 62vetteefp
Mar 02, 2008 (6:16 pm)
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Replying to: drwilsc (Mar 02, 2008 4:16 pm)

With the complaints about being underpowered (which I vehemently disagree with) and the need for better MPG it would make sense to add the DI 3.6 and drop the plans for a V8. At least it would greatly decrease the penetration of the V8 if they offered it.
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Re: confused on what car to get [albook] by allmet33
Mar 03, 2008 (6:56 am)
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Replying to: albook (Mar 01, 2008 11:40 am)

Albook...I hate to say it, but I have a family of five (2 adults, an 11 & 13 year old, as well as a 6 mos. old baby in a car seat). Trust me when I tell you...for all of us to travel somewhere...luggage for all of us would not fit INSIDE and allow the 3 in the back to be comfortable. I also have no intention of blocking my view out the rear window either. If it was a one day trip, sure...you could manage with no problem, but if you were going somewhere for say a week's vacation...good luck my friend.
 
It's obvious you don't have a family of five to understand. A good portion of the luggage can go inside, but using something on the exterior would ensure everyone's comfort on the inside. Using a rooftop cago crate would cut down on your gas mileage, however...using one the attaches to the tow hitch...you really won't notice a dip in fuel economy. Also, you made a statement about "...cutting down tremendously on the good gas mileage." I can only assume you made that statement tongue-in-cheek. The gas mileage on the Lambdas is hardly good...below average at best. Which is the only complaint I have about the Lambda at all.
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Re: confused on what car to get [allmet33] by jay_24
Mar 03, 2008 (8:01 am)
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Replying to: allmet33 (Mar 03, 2008 6:56 am)

Our Tahoe fits out family of 5 (kids 5, 9 and 11) just fine for a week long trip to Grandma's. We sometimes just have 3 in the second row, or optionally just use one third row seat to give them more space. I believe the Tahoe has less cargo space when the third row is in use. Like you I avoid packing above the height of the seats. Now the Lambda's are slightly narrower which might make the second row less comfortable for 3 kids. The third row for the Lambds is 60/40 split compared to the Tahoe's 50-50 split. So you should have more room with only one third row seat up.
 
However it would still be better than the second row of any other Crossover SUV out there except maybe the CX-9 which I'm not real familiar with. Pilot is narrower and shorter. Highlander is even smaller. MPG is similar on all of them, with the Pilot being EPA rated 2mpg less than the Lambdas.
 
Adding any weight to any vehical will hurt mpg. On top will be significantly worse than the back.
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Re: confused on what car to get [jay_24] by allmet33
Mar 03, 2008 (8:10 am)
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Replying to: jay_24 (Mar 03, 2008 8:01 am)

Well...in our Outlook...we opted for the captains chairs as the 2nd row. So, one child has to sit in the 3rd row. We can lower the side that's not being used and put luggage there, but like you said...behind the 3rd row seat...the space (while more than most regular SUV's) isn't conducive to packing for long trips. The 60/40 split, may offer a couple of inches more space as compared to the 50/50 split, but with the Outlook being slightly narrower than the Tahoe...it's really not much of an advantage.
 
The way I can pack the luggage would be cool...the baby's bag can go in front of the seat where her car seat is. Stuff for the other girls would most likely fit behind the 3rd row and luggage for mommy and daddy MIGHT fit on the folded down side of the 3rd row seat. The probelm comes in with the need for the stroller, walker/bouncer and other such items. We're also not even talking about the other stuff that might come along as well. So if it were just straight up luggage...it could most likely be done.
 
I can attest that the Tahoe/Yukon has similar problems. My next door neighbor has a Yukon with 3rd row seats. When the seat is up...there is next to NO room behind it at all...maybe for a few bags of groceries.
 
Adding weight will hurt the FE, certainly, but not as much as having something on the roof that would also create more wind resistance while travelling. In all honesty, the best solution may just be a small travel trailer. I think that's what I'll ultimately be doing myself.
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Re: confused on what car to get [allmet33] by mseningen
Mar 06, 2008 (2:06 pm)
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Replying to: allmet33 (Mar 03, 2008 8:10 am)

Well we've got a Ford Explorer now -- and have have a hard shell
roof carrier I take on extended trips. Costs maybe 1MPG.
 
We're leaning heavily towards the Acadia. Wonder if the
hard shell will fit?
 
m
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Re: confused on what car to get [mseningen] by allmet33
Mar 06, 2008 (2:11 pm)
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Replying to: mseningen (Mar 06, 2008 2:06 pm)

The space on top of the roof looks like it'll handle most cargo carriers. However...you may want to opt for the cross bars (dealer add-on option) so that the carrier will rest on those instead of on the actual roof itself.
 
I know the roof is sturdy though, I carried a 16 ft. fiberglass A-frame ladder (very heavy) and had no problem with the roof caving in or anything.
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Re: Direct Injection [62vetteefp] by tencjedd
Apr 10, 2008 (1:28 pm)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Mar 02, 2008 6:16 pm)

Our other family car is a VW Touareg (05 w/ V8). They went direct injection in 07 model year and there was a BIG BOOST in HP. Nearly 30HP jump in the V6, whereby the 07 V6's were putting out 295 compared to the 06 V8's getting 310. The V8's saw a 40HP jump. Would prefer to see this type of gain versus adding more displacement.
 
As for the powered/unpowered issue. My wife and I really felt the car was underpowered, and the vehicle was always searching for the right gear on hills...downshifting, upshifting back right away, then downshifting again. Took the car in for its first service and had a software flash for the transmission and transfer case. WHAT A DIFFERENCE! The throttle response and apparent torque on acceleration feels SO MUCH crisper. Maybe its psychosomatic, but its like its a whole different drivetrain.
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Re: Direct Injection [tencjedd] by 62vetteefp
Apr 10, 2008 (1:54 pm)
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Replying to: tencjedd (Apr 10, 2008 1:28 pm)

Maybe its psychosomatic, but its like its a whole different drivetrain.
 
No you are feeling something completely different with the new cals. The vehicle has lots of power now. Hopefully the 3.6 will get the DI treatment and make 300 hp with little decrease in MPG.
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DI by drwilsc
May 18, 2008 (8:40 am)
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Saturnfans website says the 3.6 DI in the 2009 Otulook XR (and presumably the other lambdas) should make 290 hp (rather than 275) AND get better fuel economy than the current 3.6. They are saying they will start making the 09's in June. Bottom line - if you are interested in these cars, it might be best to hold out for an 09.

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