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Re: Market conditions pricing [rockfish1] by 62vetteefp
Sep 13, 2007 (3:10 am)
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Replying to: rockfish1 (Sep 12, 2007 7:24 pm)

No I will be buying in the Detroit area in about 8 months.
 
The issue above that we are discussing is that GM fumbled with the Lamdas and they are not building them fast enough to meet demand. It is true that they cannot meet demand and they are adding a 3rd shift to catch up. There are some areas which do have some though and some that have few. One dealer in MD has five Enclaves and they are keeping the sell price up. But 5 cars at one dealership is not exactly a whole bunch.
 
Anyway bottom line is that the Lamdas are selling very well and dealers are now starting to get a bunch more Enclaves and GM is ramping up production to get more out there to meet demand. Best SUV vehicle out there for my needs and many others.
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Re: Market conditions pricing [62vetteefp] by chuckhoy
Sep 13, 2007 (4:52 am)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Sep 13, 2007 3:10 am)

I would think that any sane and reasonable person would accept that if your ability to sell product is only limited by your production capacity, it is a sucess. But, sucess ultimately will be determined by the long term reliability of the vehicle and how it does once the compitetion starts building something similiar. A hybrid option for this vehicle would be outstanding.
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Re: availability [belv] by canuck17
Sep 13, 2007 (2:45 pm)
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Replying to: belv (Sep 11, 2007 1:38 pm)

I am somewhat mystified the excitement over the Enclave. Personally I found the exterior in person somewhat bulky (much nicer in pictures) and the interior somewhat garish looking (perhaps Liberace inspired). It also falls behind the competition in tech features and a vehicle of this size and weight definitiely needs a V8.
 
The CNet review of the Enclave stated the six speed transmission "clunked" in downshifting and "had one of the worst transmissions" they had ever tested. With GM's poor track record with its full and mid size SUV's and mini-vans (Montana, Venture and Uplander)I wonder why anyone would flock to purchase the GM Lambda based vehicles. I can personally attest to this as being a previous owner of two first year GM model year vehicles (2000 Montana van and 1990 Caprice Classic).
 
I wish GM well with these vehicles as it desperately needs a winner or two to stave off massive layoffs and possible bankruptcy. I just cannot understand why anyone would not wait a couple of years for the reliability of these vehicles to be established. Perhaps price and 0% interest rates will move these Lambda based crossovers.
 
I imagine those in midwest America like to buy American and big despite the rising price of gas.
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Re: availability [canuck17] by kcorey
Sep 13, 2007 (3:32 pm)
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Replying to: canuck17 (Sep 13, 2007 2:45 pm)

A couple of quick points. First, nothing is going to appeal to everyone. We all have our dislikes. I'm sure their are plenty of people who loved the Edsels and can't understand why they're not still being made. Second, while you may have had a "poor track record" with GM, I, and I'm sure plenty of other people, have had a very good track record with GM. I will be trading in a Buick Terraza ('05) for an Enclave. The Terraza has been a great car for my wife and myself. Third,when I test drove three different Enclaves I didn't experience any "clunking" of the transmission. In fact, I thought it was the best car and ride I have ever experienced...in over 50 years, and 2 million miles, of driving. Oh well, "different strokes..."
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Re: availability [canuck17] by nxs138
Sep 13, 2007 (4:26 pm)
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Replying to: canuck17 (Sep 13, 2007 2:45 pm)

The models I test drove had a noticeable transmission hesitation, but no clunking. They are somewhat sluggish when flooring it, especially if you test drive the new Highlander, CX-9, or Veracruz back to back. I think a V8 Denali version would sell well, although if a loaded V6 nearly tops out at $44k, I don't want to think what a V8 would do to the price.
 
I don't think GM really needs huge incentives to move these at the moment: they have done a good job in going after their customer base and identifying their needsa, i.e. big and roomy. Heck, even though I don't personally need all the room, I find myself wondering if I should get one just in case.
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Re: availability [kcorey] by 62vetteefp
Sep 13, 2007 (4:28 pm)
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Replying to: kcorey (Sep 13, 2007 3:32 pm)

The "clunking" of the trans is a well known issue with the software programming of the PCM in the Lamdas. Do not know how GM screwed this up because they are known for the best transmissions in the world (automatic) (and not referring to how many gears they lack). Anyway a TSB is out as of about a week ago that a dealer can reprogram the trans and the issue is resolved.
 
It is a big egg on their face fro letting this thru and into the publics hands. That being said our Acadia has the issue but it is not that bad, just annoying to feel it once in awhile.
 
And I personally love the exterior styling and have yet to see any media not love it also. to each its own though.
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Re: availability [canuck17] by chuckhoy
Sep 13, 2007 (8:49 pm)
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Replying to: canuck17 (Sep 13, 2007 2:45 pm)

Perhaps price and 0% interest rates will move these Lambda based crossovers.
 
Yup, I'm sure that moving as much product as they can churn out of the factory without much of an incentive or lower APR makes the lambdas. a dismal failure. GM is moving them well enough that they had to, begrudgingly, add another shift to the factory. I'm sure that the bean counters at corporate are walking on eggshells over that. Best not let the CEO know about that abject failure.
 
I imagine those in midwest America like to buy American and big despite the rising price of gas.
 
Well, since we haven't developed paved roads yet, we have to have something that sits high off the ground to get to our mud huts. Those cows aren't going to milk themselves! It is, also, a pretty far hike to the outhouse (what with no indoor plumbing and other high-falootin city stuff) so we like something to get us there too. Shucks, we have to have something roomy to carry around our 9 kids and the deer we just shot.
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Re: availability [chuckhoy] by tidester HOST
Sep 13, 2007 (9:49 pm)
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Replying to: chuckhoy (Sep 13, 2007 8:49 pm)

Well, since we haven't developed paved roads yet ...
 
I understand that the national electrification program will finally reach there by the end of the decade ...!
 
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Re: availability [tidester] by chuckhoy
Sep 14, 2007 (5:08 am)
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Replying to: tidester (Sep 13, 2007 9:49 pm)

Yeeeeeeee Hawwwwwwwwww!
Now I can finally get me one of those fancy com-pu-der things.
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Re: availability [chuckhoy] by nastacio
Sep 14, 2007 (6:36 am)
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Replying to: chuckhoy (Sep 14, 2007 5:08 am)

LOL

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