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Saturn Outlook, GMC Acadia and Buick Enclave

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What is this discussion about? Saturn Outlook, Buick Enclave, GMC Acadia


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Re: Market conditions pricing [chuckhoy] by seloo
Sep 08, 2007 (4:22 am)
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Replying to: chuckhoy (Sep 07, 2007 10:35 am)

Sorry, I do not agree. Bottom line: Market conditions pricing is just a scam. If you fall for it, then shame on you! If you walk away, the dealers will not employ this insulting tactic, but you cannot really blame them because as we all know there plenty of suckers born every minute.
 
In my opinion, the no-haggle price is also another scam. It is like paying full MSRP (and in many cases more) for a car. It reminds me of a saying my Grandmother always told me when I wanted to purchase something 'a f--l and his money will soon part!'
 
For me, the no-haggle price combined with the other issues (although not completely substantiated by the current sample size) associated with the Outlook make this car a poorer value when compared to other cars in this class. I like GM's idea (it is a nice car), but when you compare price, safety, design, etc.. Mazda and Hyundai seem to be a better overall value. There seems to be a general consensus among automotive experts to substantiate this claim.
 
To each their own, that is what makes this country a great place. Good luck!
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Re: Market conditions pricing [seloo] by 62vetteefp
Sep 08, 2007 (4:55 am)
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Replying to: seloo (Sep 08, 2007 4:22 am)

NOt everyone enjoys/will like to negotiate a price with a salesperson. Hence Saturn. If you think the price is too high then walk away and go to a GMC store. Easy as that. If Saturn does not sell enough of a product and they feelit is due to price it will be adjusted. So far I have not heard of any price adjustments at Saturn (Did they drop prices with the rest of GM 3 years ago when GM cut incentives?).
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Re: Market conditions pricing [62vetteefp] by seloo
Sep 08, 2007 (5:23 am)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Sep 08, 2007 4:55 am)

There is your first mistake, negotiate with a salesperson. You need to have some understanding of the business before you walk on the dealer's lot.
 
I fully understand that no one really enjoys dealing with a car dealership over the price of a car.
 
On the other hand, you pay a high premium for the no-haggle deal.
 
Additionally, Saturn uses incentives to sell their cars. Current the Outlook XE has a $1K allowance. I have seen postings claiming that the Outlook will lower its price because of direct competition with GMC. We will see.
 
Good luck!
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Re: Driver Comfort [mchappell] by joeblack1
Sep 08, 2007 (11:48 am)
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Replying to: mchappell (Sep 07, 2007 11:13 am)

I agree about the seats. Many of them are too short, and offer poor thigh support for that reason. That was my impression of the Honda Odyssey that I drove.
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Re: Market conditions pricing [seloo] by 62vetteefp
Sep 08, 2007 (3:16 pm)
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Replying to: seloo (Sep 08, 2007 5:23 am)

There is your first mistake, negotiate with a salesperson. You need to have some understanding of the business before you walk on the dealer's lot.
 
I think I know the business pretty well. Like I said many potential customers do not want anything to do with negotiating a deal. So Saturn has a business plan that offers them a place to go. I have never needed to negotiate for a new vehicle in my life since I always bought with a discount since I was 21. Ahyway in 8 months I should have my enclave and cannot wait!
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Re: Market conditions pricing [62vetteefp] by seloo
Sep 08, 2007 (5:41 pm)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Sep 08, 2007 3:16 pm)

So you are a car salesperson that is collecting intelligence on us common folk. Then you know first hand what a great deal the no-hassle price is for the dealership.
 
I understand that the Enclave is a very nice car. Once the initial demand for this car decreases, some good deals should be available in 8 months.
 
I enjoyed our chat. Good Luck.
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Re: Market conditions pricing [seloo] by 62vetteefp
Sep 09, 2007 (5:05 am)
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Replying to: seloo (Sep 08, 2007 5:41 pm)

Not a carsalesperson but have worked with the dealerships.
 
 understand that the Enclave is a very nice car. Once the initial demand for this car decreases, some good deals should be available in 8 months.
 
As far as future deals on Enclave it certainly is a good question.
 
The Acadia has been out about 10 months and there surely is no heavy discounting yet. In fact what are people getting off MSRP on these? In 8 months it is very possible though that GM will have caught up to demand with the Lamdas. They are putting in a 3rd shift at Lansing. A lot has to do with two things though. What gas prices will do and, more importantly, our economy. If it goes further into the tank look for some great deals. If gas prices stay the same look for more folks moving from SUV's to CUV's like the Lamdas. If gas prices go down SUV's will sell again. If they go way up even the CUV's will have problems.
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Re: Market conditions pricing [62vetteefp] by zman3
Sep 09, 2007 (6:25 am)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Sep 09, 2007 5:05 am)

It must depend on where one lives. In the Minneapolis area you can easily buy Acadias and Enclaves within $500 of invoice. Some dealers are holding out for MSRP on the Enclaves so they have 6-8 sitting on their lots. Those that are discounting don't have any sitting around, but you can still buy one without much difficulty.
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Re: Market conditions pricing [zman3] by kcorey
Sep 10, 2007 (8:55 am)
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Replying to: zman3 (Sep 09, 2007 6:25 am)

Well, in Brooklyn, NY, Enclaves are as plentiful as hens teeth! Since April, I've seen 3...2 in Brooklyn and 1 on Staten Island. All of the dealers are "waiting" for them. A few dealers in New Jersey say they have them, but some of those cars are demos, and they are charging full price for them.
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Re: Market conditions pricing [kcorey] by 62vetteefp
Sep 10, 2007 (10:31 am)
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Replying to: kcorey (Sep 10, 2007 8:55 am)

I think it is a little stretch to say Enclaves are easily bought anywhere. They have shipped very few and no one is giving much off MSRP. I will say I have seen a couple but they have been GM company cars (except one).

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