- #2794 of 2998
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Re: sometimes, a car just doesn't fit you [nastacio]
by steve_ HOST
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Sep 07, 2007 (11:23 am)
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Replying to: nastacio (Sep 07, 2007 10:10 am)
are you implying that Saturn may overestimate your trade in for slow selling vehicles
Never tried it, but why not? Shouldn't be too hard to finagle the numbers to bump up the value of your creampuff.
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- #2795 of 2998
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Re: sometimes, a car just doesn't fit you [gleppert]
by nelsoncm
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Sep 07, 2007 (11:36 am)
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Replying to: gleppert (Sep 07, 2007 6:07 am)
It took just under a week to start noticing my hip/back problem with the Jeep GC. At first, I thought maybe I needed steprails to help me get in and out, so I purchased some. No help. I soon realized it was a combo of me being short, the seat sitting high, and the pedals sitting slightly to the left of the very wide center console. Funny part is, I had driven a Grand Cherokee as a loaner a few months earlier and had it for about 4 days with no problems -- in fact that's what made me start looking at Jeeps. And since nobody lets you take a week-long test drive, what can you do? I returned to Saab because i think their seats are about the most comfy out there. Especially if you can get the ventilated seats with the cooling fans --oh my God! I had those in my old saab, didn't get them with this new one and boy do I miss 'em! Listen though, lose the money, get outta your pain machine, maybe find a nice pre-owned more traditional car, where you don't have to deal with high seating positions. I was literally in tears because I tried to tough it out in the Jeep for those 2.5 months. It's not worth it!
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- #2796 of 2998
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Re: Driver Comfort [mchappell]
by nelsoncm
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Sep 07, 2007 (11:46 am)
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Replying to: mchappell (Sep 07, 2007 11:13 am)
I agree with you on the shorter seat bottoms. Terribly unsupportive. And I'm only 5ft 2in! Or, if they give you decent front seats, the back seat is really short, I guess to give you the illusion of legroom. Based on my own experience, I'm sticking with station wagons. I've had a Merc Sable and now two Saab 9-5s. I get the cargo room I need, and I have small family (hubby, son and dog), which helps. And i don't have to feel guilty about gas mileage or depleting the ozone! : )
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- #2797 of 2998
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Re: sometimes, a car just doesn't fit you [steve_]
by nastacio
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Sep 07, 2007 (11:54 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Sep 07, 2007 11:23 am)
That would be even more interesting considering that the trade-in value is discounted from the sales tax. Sweeeet 
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- #2798 of 2998
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Re: Market conditions pricing [chuckhoy]
by seloo
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Sep 08, 2007 (4:22 am)
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Replying to: chuckhoy (Sep 07, 2007 10:35 am)
Sorry, I do not agree. Bottom line: Market conditions pricing is just a scam. If you fall for it, then shame on you! If you walk away, the dealers will not employ this insulting tactic, but you cannot really blame them because as we all know there plenty of suckers born every minute.
In my opinion, the no-haggle price is also another scam. It is like paying full MSRP (and in many cases more) for a car. It reminds me of a saying my Grandmother always told me when I wanted to purchase something 'a f--l and his money will soon part!'
For me, the no-haggle price combined with the other issues (although not completely substantiated by the current sample size) associated with the Outlook make this car a poorer value when compared to other cars in this class. I like GM's idea (it is a nice car), but when you compare price, safety, design, etc.. Mazda and Hyundai seem to be a better overall value. There seems to be a general consensus among automotive experts to substantiate this claim.
To each their own, that is what makes this country a great place. Good luck!
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- #2799 of 2998
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Re: Market conditions pricing [seloo]
by 62vetteefp
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Sep 08, 2007 (4:55 am)
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Replying to: seloo (Sep 08, 2007 4:22 am)
NOt everyone enjoys/will like to negotiate a price with a salesperson. Hence Saturn. If you think the price is too high then walk away and go to a GMC store. Easy as that. If Saturn does not sell enough of a product and they feelit is due to price it will be adjusted. So far I have not heard of any price adjustments at Saturn (Did they drop prices with the rest of GM 3 years ago when GM cut incentives?).
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- #2800 of 2998
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Re: Market conditions pricing [62vetteefp]
by seloo
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Sep 08, 2007 (5:23 am)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Sep 08, 2007 4:55 am)
There is your first mistake, negotiate with a salesperson. You need to have some understanding of the business before you walk on the dealer's lot.
I fully understand that no one really enjoys dealing with a car dealership over the price of a car.
On the other hand, you pay a high premium for the no-haggle deal.
Additionally, Saturn uses incentives to sell their cars. Current the Outlook XE has a $1K allowance. I have seen postings claiming that the Outlook will lower its price because of direct competition with GMC. We will see.
Good luck!
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- #2801 of 2998
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Re: Driver Comfort [mchappell]
by joeblack1
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Sep 08, 2007 (11:48 am)
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Replying to: mchappell (Sep 07, 2007 11:13 am)
I agree about the seats. Many of them are too short, and offer poor thigh support for that reason. That was my impression of the Honda Odyssey that I drove.
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- #2802 of 2998
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Re: Market conditions pricing [seloo]
by 62vetteefp
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Sep 08, 2007 (3:16 pm)
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Replying to: seloo (Sep 08, 2007 5:23 am)
There is your first mistake, negotiate with a salesperson. You need to have some understanding of the business before you walk on the dealer's lot.
I think I know the business pretty well. Like I said many potential customers do not want anything to do with negotiating a deal. So Saturn has a business plan that offers them a place to go. I have never needed to negotiate for a new vehicle in my life since I always bought with a discount since I was 21.  Ahyway in 8 months I should have my enclave and cannot wait!
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- #2803 of 2998
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Re: Market conditions pricing [62vetteefp]
by seloo
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Sep 08, 2007 (5:41 pm)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Sep 08, 2007 3:16 pm)
So you are a car salesperson that is collecting intelligence on us common folk. Then you know first hand what a great deal the no-hassle price is for the dealership.
I understand that the Enclave is a very nice car. Once the initial demand for this car decreases, some good deals should be available in 8 months.
I enjoyed our chat. Good Luck.
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