- #2788 of 2998
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Re: sometimes, a car just doesn't fit you [allmet33]
by steve_ HOST
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Sep 07, 2007 (9:34 am)
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Replying to: allmet33 (Sep 07, 2007 9:12 am)
If you want to haggle the price
Or take a trade-in with you.
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- #2789 of 2998
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Re: sometimes, a car just doesn't fit you [steve_]
by nastacio
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Sep 07, 2007 (10:10 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Sep 07, 2007 9:34 am)
Hmmmm....are you implying that Saturn may overestimate your trade in for slow selling vehicles?
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- #2790 of 2998
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Market conditions pricing
by txbricklayer
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Sep 07, 2007 (10:12 am)
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My wife and I took an Enclave test drive today---nice. Checked the sticker afterward----approx. $37K. But there was a hand written add-on for 'market conditions'---$4,000.
This dealer is in Houston. No, thanks.
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- #2791 of 2998
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Re: Market conditions pricing [txbricklayer]
by nastacio
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Sep 07, 2007 (10:25 am)
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Replying to: txbricklayer (Sep 07, 2007 10:12 am)
Give it 6 months - if you can - otherwise you are going to lose those 4k and some more.
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- #2792 of 2998
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Re: Market conditions pricing [nastacio]
by chuckhoy
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Sep 07, 2007 (10:35 am)
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Replying to: nastacio (Sep 07, 2007 10:25 am)
That is why I think that a comparably equipped Outlook is probably the better deal right now in some areas. The no-haggle plus the $1,000 incentive probably makes it a better deal.
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- #2793 of 2998
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Re: Driver Comfort [gleppert]
by mchappell
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Sep 07, 2007 (11:13 am)
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Replying to: gleppert (Sep 06, 2007 8:19 am)
My wife and I have noticed a couple of changes in the design of front seats since we bought our Suburban in 2000. First, the seat cushions seem to be getting shorter, front-to-back, which causes pressure points mid-thigh. Second, and most critical to us, is the fact that manufacturers seem to think that you can never have enough lumbar support. We are 40 and 41, and have never had a problem with any seats in any cars we have owned or driven. However, starting with a Honda Odyssey we bought new in January '06, we have noticed the two problems mentioned above. The Odyssey's seats caused my wife so much pain, that we had to get rid of it after 2 months. We did not take an extended test drive since we had never experienced this problem in the past. The only seats that we didn't have any lumbar issues with were in an '06 Caravan and the '06 Hyundai's (Sonata, Azera, Entourage). Heck, we rented a Grand Marquis for a couple of days, thinking the seats would be like a big comfy couch (you know, for all of the old people  ). It was the worst of the bunch, and we returned it early.
Is there, indeed, an industry-wide move to make auto seats more orthopedically 'correct'? Is our posture so bad that these 'correct' seats cause us more harm then good?
We are now in an '07 Outlook. I'm still not thrilled with the lumbar support, as it's only the 'least-bad' of everything we looked at that met our needs. I think the only saving grace is the fact that the Outlook lets you move the lumbar up and down, as well as in and out. I just wish it would move in a little more.
Prior to the last 18 months, I had never given any thoughts to seats. Now, I think about it every time I drive. I'd really like my Suburban back, even with the high gas prices. (and yes, we did look at new Suburbans - they weren't nearly as comfortable or roomy as our 2000, IMO).
Mark
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- #2794 of 2998
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Re: sometimes, a car just doesn't fit you [nastacio]
by steve_ HOST
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Sep 07, 2007 (11:23 am)
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Replying to: nastacio (Sep 07, 2007 10:10 am)
are you implying that Saturn may overestimate your trade in for slow selling vehicles
Never tried it, but why not? Shouldn't be too hard to finagle the numbers to bump up the value of your creampuff.
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- #2795 of 2998
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Re: sometimes, a car just doesn't fit you [gleppert]
by nelsoncm
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Sep 07, 2007 (11:36 am)
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Replying to: gleppert (Sep 07, 2007 6:07 am)
It took just under a week to start noticing my hip/back problem with the Jeep GC. At first, I thought maybe I needed steprails to help me get in and out, so I purchased some. No help. I soon realized it was a combo of me being short, the seat sitting high, and the pedals sitting slightly to the left of the very wide center console. Funny part is, I had driven a Grand Cherokee as a loaner a few months earlier and had it for about 4 days with no problems -- in fact that's what made me start looking at Jeeps. And since nobody lets you take a week-long test drive, what can you do? I returned to Saab because i think their seats are about the most comfy out there. Especially if you can get the ventilated seats with the cooling fans --oh my God! I had those in my old saab, didn't get them with this new one and boy do I miss 'em! Listen though, lose the money, get outta your pain machine, maybe find a nice pre-owned more traditional car, where you don't have to deal with high seating positions. I was literally in tears because I tried to tough it out in the Jeep for those 2.5 months. It's not worth it!
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Re: Driver Comfort [mchappell]
by nelsoncm
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Sep 07, 2007 (11:46 am)
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Replying to: mchappell (Sep 07, 2007 11:13 am)
I agree with you on the shorter seat bottoms. Terribly unsupportive. And I'm only 5ft 2in! Or, if they give you decent front seats, the back seat is really short, I guess to give you the illusion of legroom. Based on my own experience, I'm sticking with station wagons. I've had a Merc Sable and now two Saab 9-5s. I get the cargo room I need, and I have small family (hubby, son and dog), which helps. And i don't have to feel guilty about gas mileage or depleting the ozone! : )
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- #2797 of 2998
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Re: sometimes, a car just doesn't fit you [steve_]
by nastacio
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Sep 07, 2007 (11:54 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Sep 07, 2007 11:23 am)
That would be even more interesting considering that the trade-in value is discounted from the sales tax. Sweeeet
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