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Saturn Outlook, GMC Acadia and Buick Enclave

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Re: Driver Comfort [62vetteefp] by nastacio
Sep 06, 2007 (1:09 pm)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Sep 06, 2007 12:02 pm)

I have two Japanese vehicles (Nissan and Honda,) and had an issue with the Outlook steering-wheel angle that was new to me: it was low, even at its highest setting.
 
I had to lower the seat more than I would like to and tilt the wheel all the way up.
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Re: Driver Comfort [nastacio] by 62vetteefp
Sep 06, 2007 (1:51 pm)
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Replying to: nastacio (Sep 06, 2007 1:09 pm)

Thats different than the original issue started here. I have not noticed it not going high enough but I will check and see if it is at the highest setting now for me. I am pretty sure my seat is all the way up. But I am only 5'10".
 
I do know I can put it down so far that the gages are actually above the top of the rim!! Did that on a long trip to give me a slightly different hand to wheel orientation. Just playing around.
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sometimes, a car just doesn't fit you by nelsoncm
Sep 06, 2007 (5:15 pm)
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Last summer, I traded my trusty Saab station wagon for a Jeep Grand Cherokee (finally succumbing to the SUV craze) and developed such bad hip and back pain on my right side (the "driving leg" side) that after 2.5 months, I went back to another Saab wagon and lost a ton of $$$$ in the process. I'm short, the pedals sat off to the left and the seats sat high in the Jeep. Even with adjustable pedals, I couldn't make the car work for me. In shopping many vehicles before running back to Saab, one dealer said to me of my plight "sometimes, a car just doesn't fit you." And he was right. Sad part is, my hip never did fully recover from the contorting I had to do reaching the brake pedal in that stupid Jeep. If you're in pain in your vehicle, and you know it's the car, get out of it! Good luck!
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Re: Driver Comfort [nastacio] by 62vetteefp
Sep 07, 2007 (2:25 am)
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Replying to: nastacio (Sep 06, 2007 1:09 pm)

Well I looked and yes, the wheel is up as high as it goes. But it was the perfect position for me. Seat was all the way up to. So if a 6'2" person had the seat all the way up, the wheel would probably be slightly blocking the top of gages. Of course I would think the seat could be lowered for that tall of a person but with all that headroom and the higher door sills they may put the seat all the way up.
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Re: sometimes, a car just doesn't fit you [nelsoncm] by gleppert
Sep 07, 2007 (6:07 am)
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Replying to: nelsoncm (Sep 06, 2007 5:15 pm)

Just curious! When did your pain start? Mine started after a 1.5 hour trip 3 days after purchase. Decided a seat adjustment would take care of it but it never did. Never experienced it during the test drives. I'm fairly certain I would have as I feel it the instant I climb in now. Spent 10 days in Miami in May driving a rental and had no problems. Came home, jumped behind the wheel of the Outlook, never got out of the neighborhood before I started feeling that characteristic twinge of hip and back pain.
 
I really would like to drive the vehicle, but wouldn't hesitate to get rid of it if I wasn't going to take a bath in trade. So much for value!! Looks like your dealer's adage, "Sometimes, a car just doesn't fit you" just went up by one!!!
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Re: sometimes, a car just doesn't fit you [gleppert] by seloo
Sep 07, 2007 (7:53 am)
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Replying to: gleppert (Sep 07, 2007 6:07 am)

Based on this board, this car gives me an uneasy feeling.
 
- Safety problems with rear crash data
 
- Poor rear visibility
 
- Seat problems
 
- Fixed Pricing!!!
 
I think I will pass.
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Re: sometimes, a car just doesn't fit you [seloo] by chuckhoy
Sep 07, 2007 (8:29 am)
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Replying to: seloo (Sep 07, 2007 7:53 am)

- Safety problems with rear crash data
As near as I could tell, it has not been tested yet in a crash-test setting. The only test that was done was an isolated test on the headrest. That is not very conclusive to me.
 
- Poor rear visibility
I think it is a symptom of the size and type of vehicle it is. You would have the same problems from a CX-9, big SUV, minivan or other large vehicles that sit high off the ground.
 
- Seat problems
One person. Pretty much everyone else has not had a problem. I think they are comfy.
 
- Fixed Pricing!!!
Yes, because it is a Saturn. If you like to haggle you can get an Acadia or Enclave. They are the same as the Outlook for the most part.
 
I think I will pass.
That is up to you, but you will not find a CUV with more cargo space. The only other alternative is a minivan or big SUV.
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Re: sometimes, a car just doesn't fit you [chuckhoy] by nastacio
Sep 07, 2007 (9:10 am)
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Replying to: chuckhoy (Sep 07, 2007 8:29 am)

I agree, most of these sins are shared by other CUVs, but the fixed pricing is what gets me.
 
Of course one can always go and buy something else, but in our area the situation is a bit curious. The Buick dealer is right across the street from the Saturn dealer, and very soon, the Enclaves will enter the rebate/haggling zone, offering a supposedly upscale version of the Outlook at a lower price.
 
As for the rear crash data, I don't think manufacturers actually rear end their cars, but only measure the headrests and simulate the effects of a rear collision putting the front seats on a sled. Some claim that the lambdas fared so poorly on the measurement that no one bothered to put the seats on a sled, but I could not find any concrete information about it.
 
As for facts regarding a supposed Outlook deficiency, the 2nd and 3rd row headrests are not adjustable.
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Re: sometimes, a car just doesn't fit you [seloo] by allmet33
Sep 07, 2007 (9:12 am)
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Replying to: seloo (Sep 07, 2007 7:53 am)

Wow...you're basing your conclusion on the postings of one or two people???
 
Do yourself a favor and go test drive one of the Lambda vehicles for yourself to see if you have any issues with it.
 
I truly don't think the rear visibility is poor, it's just a vehicle that sits up higher off the ground. If you consider it to be bad in one of these, what do you think a full sized SUV would be like? Honestly, it's nothing a back up camera couldn't fix. Personally...I don't have an issue with the rear visibility.
 
To be specific, there are no problems with the seats themselves. It's more an issue of anatomy for the drivers.
 
Fixed pricing??? Where have you been, that's been Saturns niche since day 1. If you want to haggle the price, then go after the Acadia or Enclave, or any of the other CUV's on the market if you're looking for one.
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Re: sometimes, a car just doesn't fit you [allmet33] by nastacio
Sep 07, 2007 (9:29 am)
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Replying to: allmet33 (Sep 07, 2007 9:12 am)

Where have you been, that's been Saturns niche since day 1.
 
How did they ever move things like the Ion and the Relay? $5K factory rebates?

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