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BMW 3 Series, Tires
#2883 of 3108 Re: BMW rant [busiris]
Jun 25, 2011 (5:58 am)
Yep,you have to register when you replace.,however I haven't had a problem and if I had to use a trickle I'd be upset. I just traded up and the first thing I had them do was to put grease around the terminals. I like German cars cabins and bells and whistles,but the computers are scaring me. I's exspensive to maintain a Beemer.I have a 2010 VW base HB 2.5 only because of the cabin display MFD etc and no problems. It has a 5 star rating and it's a five speed. I don't see an Audi that catches my eye though.So I'm sticking with what I know. I like RWD also.
#2884 of 3108 Are the Michelin RFT's better?
Jun 30, 2011 (8:34 am)
Having recently purchased a 2011 335d with Michelin PS2 ZP as OE tires, I am wondering if
all of the bad reviews of the previous posts on other brands of RFT's applies to Michelin?
So far I have not noticed excessive noise or other driveability issues.
#2885 of 3108 Re: Are the Michelin RFT's better? [trdsc2]
Jun 30, 2011 (2:58 pm)
The Michelin's on my 2010 328i are far quieter than the Bridgestones on my 2007 Z4 coupe. Like most other technologies, RFT is advancing as well.
However, there are some very "rabid" RFT haters out there, and for many of them there will never be a suitable RFT available.
Personally, I"m neutral. I do wish BMW would give the option of a space saver spare, but that doesn't appear to be in the cards. Obviously, it isn't a deal- breaker for me...
#2886 of 3108 When I Can Get. . .
Jun 30, 2011 (5:41 pm)
an RFT in Winnemucca, Nevada, at 1:30 in the morning on a Sunday (and a tire changer that can deal with it), then my issue with these damn tires will be well on the way to being solved.
#2887 of 3108 Re: Are the Michelin RFT's better? [busiris]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Jul 01, 2011 (8:15 am)
I just have trouble with the concept---RFTs are like the answer to a question nobody asked. It's a technology pushed on consumers for the manufacturer's advantages, not ours. They get rid of spare tires and wheels, we get more expense and tires that are no more durable than the former types.
#2888 of 3108 Re: Are the Michelin RFT's better? [Mr_Shiftright]
Jul 02, 2011 (9:15 am)
I guess I see it differently. It just isn't an issue to me.
Carmakers make decisions on what to offer all the time, and we (as a customer) either take it or pass on it. For example, Model X comes with a Bose stereo, but you prefer a different stereo brand... The choice is to accept the Bose or pass on Model X.
And, there really are some advantages to RFT's... As I think I have posted here before, my neighbor was well off the side of the interstate hwy changing a flat when he was hit by an incredibly drunk driver and killed instantly. If his car had RFT's, he would probably be here today.
Now, that doesn't mean ther aren't disadvantages to RFT's... just that, depending on the situation, they may work for you OR against you.
Chew a tire up in Podunk, WY, and you have a real problem. Even then, in many cases, that isn't limited to RFT's alone. If my 328i BMW (Sport Pkg. - 18"wheels) shreads a tire there, there's little chance I will find a 255/35-18 RFT OR GFT locally (in stock).
Still, if I had the capability to carry a spare designed into the vehicle, I might make it to a larger city on a space-saver spare... maybe.
That's why I think BMW should at least offer the space-saver space in the trunk (like my wife's 2005 MINI convertible that came equipped with RFT's).
But, I knowingly bought the car with RFT's, so I accepted the risk.
#2889 of 3108 Re: Are the Michelin RFT's better? [busiris]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Jul 02, 2011 (9:56 am)
Well I'm not so sure that unfortunate (tragic) scenario is really a booster for RFTs though. He could have driven off the road on a regular tire---sure, ruining it beyond belief but you've seen those police chase videos----I'd trade a tire and rim for my life anyday.
Besides, if you run a RFT while flat for an appreciable distance, it's ruined as well.
It's like tires are going flat left and right these days. I have way more bicycle flats than car flats (by about 100 to 1 !!!) and I don't see any RFT bicycle tires being marketed.
(cue commercial: "bicyclists, what if YOU have a flat tire while crossing a bridge in a narrow bike lane? You need the all new TREK RFT tire---only $185, for that peace of mind!")
You'd laugh, right?
#2890 of 3108 Re: Are the Michelin RFT's better? [busiris]
Jul 02, 2011 (12:21 pm)
If my 328i BMW (Sport Pkg. - 18"wheels) shreads [sic] a tire there, there's little chance I will find a 255/35-18 RFT OR GFT locally (in stock).
Very good point. This is the other half of the RFT fiasco -- NO SPARE TIRE. When I'm driving in bumf*** western U.S. out here, which is pretty much my only choice, I have absolutely no expectation of getting a replacement tire. What I do want is either: 1) a tire that any normal truck stop or 24-hr service station can repair and put back on the car, and/or 2) a spare that matches the other four tires -- I'll put it on and drive back to Phoenix. Then I'll take however long it takes (2-3 days) to replace the tire, if that's what's required.
It's the magic daily double -- crap no-one-can-work-on-them tires or ones that no one is willing to patch, combined with no spare.
The Germans have no concept of western North America or Australia -- it's big country with very limited services. Apparently they don't want to include those of us who live in such places in their demo. I guess it makes sense, given the number of social-climbing people living in densely-populated areas.
The fact is that BMW no longer care about enthusiasts; they care about people who will buy (or more likely lease) the cars in ever-larger numbers.
#2891 of 3108 Re: Are the Michelin RFT's better? [cdnpinhead]
Jul 02, 2011 (3:04 pm)
Regardless what any of our opinions happen to be, at the end of the day sales usually wind up driving production policies. Overall, few wish to purchase a polka-dot paint job on a BMW, so we aren't given that as an option.
While we all probably agree that having the capability to have some type of spare in a new BMW is desirable, enough buyers don't seem to care. And, as long as sales continue to increase, I really doubt we will see any spare tire options.
In fact, we may see the mandatory RFT issue pop up on other manufacturer's products due to BMW's continued success.
It wouldn't be the first time.
I agree that the modern BMW is oriented to urban environments as well. Four year service included in the price of the car has reduced value if the nearest dealer is 250 miles distant.
But, that's nothing new, either. In my lifetime, television evolution has been driven by the urban environment much more so than the rural environment ( after all, where I grew up, there were only 2 channels one could receive...in the 1950's and early 60's).
On another point, I don't think I have ever seen a bicycle RFT. Seems like a popular solution for competitive bicycling. Maybe Mr. Shift_Right is onto something there!
#2892 of 3108 Re: Are the Michelin RFT's better? [busiris]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Jul 03, 2011 (8:20 am)
The reason people don't care (although apparently many do) is because people today are used to regular tires rarely going flat anymore IMO.
Who has had a flat in the last 5 years? Not me. Sure it happens, but when's the last time you saw anyone on the road changing a tire?
Fact is, most buyers don't even KNOW their car has run-flat tires. I have a friend who didn't even know her BMW was all-wheel drive when she bought it.