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Re: Round 97... [shipo] by tan2
Sep 06, 2007 (1:03 pm)
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Replying to: shipo (Sep 06, 2007 12:33 pm)

I can't speak for everyones RFT - I have the Bridgestone Turanza so that is why I am very concerned about it. I am sure future RFTs will be better developed but the ones I have are not.
 
As for price, this is a general reference for people who are in a similar situation. That is they own/lease a BMW, with similar RFTs and who paid a lot of money for a car. BMW should have disclosed the high cost of maintaining these wheels and the frequency to us so that consumers could have weighed this fact when deciding on their purchase. Instead they chose to hype these RFT.
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Re: Round 97... [tan2] by shipo
Sep 06, 2007 (2:57 pm)
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Replying to: tan2 (Sep 06, 2007 1:03 pm)

"BMW should have disclosed the high cost of maintaining these wheels and the frequency to us so that consumers could have weighed this fact when deciding on their purchase. Instead they chose to hype these RFT."
 
What you're missing here is that assuming that the Bridgestone tires had performed up to the Bridgestone's own specifications, the extra cost of running RFTs on your car would be very small. Consider the following nearly like for like examples:
 
Tire ------------------------------------------- UTQG ------ Price
Bridgestone Turanza EL42 RFT ------ 300 ------ $181.00
Bridgestone Turanza EL41 GFT ------ 300 ------ $134.00
Continental ContiProContact SSR --- 400 ------ $111.00
Continental ContiProContact GFT --- 400 ------ $094.00
 
As you can see, the RFTs are supposed to last as long as their GFT counterparts (and by all accounts the Continentals do), and only cost something less that $200 per set extra. Back when you bought your car BMW was under the impression that the Bridgestones would in fact perform in the real world just like Bridgestone said they would. It wasn't to be and that's why the tire replacement program was put in place.
 
Best Regards,
Shipo
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Re: Round 97... [tan2] by gja
Sep 06, 2007 (6:38 pm)
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Replying to: tan2 (Sep 06, 2007 11:26 am)

"Actually, it is BMW. BMW Service is an agent of BMW and is acting under apparent authority so BMW can be held liable for BMW Service's acts. "
 
It's not "really" BMW unless you can get it in writing from your dealer or BMW N.A. Notice I said "unless you can get it in writing from your dealer" because I doubt you will.
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Re: Round 97... [gja] by jp900
Sep 06, 2007 (6:49 pm)
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Replying to: gja (Sep 06, 2007 6:38 pm)

Again, I would like to point out that it was my BMW dealer (preowned), Hendricks in Charlotte, NC that suggested they put GFT's on my car, 2006 325i, for me when I bought it. I would like to know who some of these other dealers talking about the voiding of warranties are so that we can begin confronting the mixed messages different dealers are providing.
 
Joe
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Re: Round 97... [jp900] by circlew
Sep 07, 2007 (2:52 am)
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Replying to: jp900 (Sep 06, 2007 6:49 pm)

The mixed message is no doubt due to the manufacturer recommendation for RFT only. A tire with exact proportions that is GFT can not do any damage to the suspension components as the wheels are designed to accept GFT's on the 3 series.
 
As far as voiding the warranty, while I am not a legal scholar, I would suggest that there is no physical evidence that differentiates RFT vs. GFT on the suspension of ANY given car produced today.
 
In other words, if you have a 2006 Buick, you could put RFT's or original replacement GFT's recommended for that car. This would not void the warranty any more than GFT's would void the BMW warranty due to any possible damage based on the difference of RFT technology in the same "proportional recommendation" for wheel/tire specifications.
 
Just my opinion.
 
Regards,
OW
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Re: Round 97... [bdkinnh] by bdkinnh
Sep 07, 2007 (6:34 am)
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Replying to: bdkinnh (Sep 06, 2007 10:52 am)

>"...it's the dealer. Don't take their word for it."
 
First time I've ever quoted myself, but it seemed right given what just happened.
 
I'm in the market for a 535i with the sports package. I just got off the phone with my local dealer (Tulley, FWIW Shipo), and the salesman told me that they didn't have any 535i's (with or without SP) to test drive so I should try the 535xi because, and I quote, "they will drive exactly the same".
 
I pointed out that the 535i/SP has active roll stabilization and larger wheels; the XI is all wheel drive. They will not be anything alike. "Yeah, you're right" was his response.
 
It seems my hunt for a 535i/SP to test in NH is going to be a tough one. Looks like everyone around here is an XI fan.
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Re: Round 97... [bdkinnh] by shipo
Sep 07, 2007 (7:53 am)
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Replying to: bdkinnh (Sep 07, 2007 6:34 am)

"It seems my hunt for a 535i/SP to test in NH is going to be a tough one. Looks like everyone around here is an XI fan."
 
Well not everyone. I personally wouldn't have an emasculated 535i in my NH garage either.
 
As a thought, have you considered driving a 335i SP instead, just as a test? Given that the 535i only weighs some 66 pounds more (in manual transmission trim), I shouldn't imagine that the difference would be as siginificant as say between a 535i SP and a 535xi.
 
Best Regards,
Shipo
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Re: Round 97... [shipo] by bdkinnh
Sep 07, 2007 (8:20 am)
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Replying to: shipo (Sep 07, 2007 7:53 am)

As a thought, have you considered driving a 335i SP instead, just as a test?
 
Good point - thanks. I've always said that I had to test drive the exact model I'd be buying, but if I tested the 535xi and liked the interior et al, and tested the 335i SP and liked that, then the two should cover most of the bases.
 
Although, if they don't have any 535i's, you'd think they wouldn't have any 335i's as well.
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Re: Round 97... [bdkinnh] by shipo
Sep 07, 2007 (9:40 am)
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Replying to: bdkinnh (Sep 07, 2007 8:20 am)

"Although, if they don't have any 535i's, you'd think they wouldn't have any 335i's as well."
 
Hmmm, good point. Dunno.
 
Best Regards,
Shipo
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Runflats on 3-series suck, BMW sucks worse by ray1130
Sep 08, 2007 (8:36 am)
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After 18K miles, the tires on my 330 are NFG due to lack of alignment although the postings indicate that the standard tires are defective. Looking at a $1,000 expense. I have taken the car for service several times and NEVER has the dealer dealt with the tires or the alignment. Not surprising, I suppose, since they are not covered by the so-called warranty! BMW suckers you into a false sense of security only to stick it to you. I guess I should be happy they changed the wiper blades. Will NEVER buy another BMW. AMERICA, WAKE UP!

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