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GMC Envoy, Chevrolet TrailBlazer, SUV
#9 of 35 Re: Go try the Nissan Murano
Oct 27, 2005 (2:30 pm)
I'll tell you folks something - I have had it with the domestic automakers, because I have seen the light and found a manufacturer here in the USA that makes a great SUV, many infact, that are in my opinion better than the Envoy, Trailblazer. My decision is based on pure economics. The Murano is also AWD which I like, and has available Navigation and Bluetooth.
The Murano hold it's value so well, it's embarrassing to GM. Do an Edmunds TMV on a 2004 TrailBlazer 4WD LT and the similar Envoy. You will be pricing out vehicles originally listing for low $30's. Trade in with 18,000 miles is 1/2 of that now. The Murano has a TMV in the high $20's ...
No comparison. We all want to save money right and invest wisely? You will be making that decision with these vehicles. PASS on the 2007 GMC Envoy. GM is going to take a big nose dive in 2007 - you will not want to be part of it, and NISSAN is picking up steam and the XTERRA was critically acclaimed today! For good reason if you drove one too.
So if you want to spend some money and really get nothing for it, please consider the Nissan Murano, or the XTERRA ... you will get a better made vehicle, better warranty, better residuals, and a vehicle that will actually retain most of it's value.
Nissan does not need huge discounts and rebates to move their vehicles - Quality speaks volumes. I am sorry, but if you drove the Murano or the XTERRA and looked at the real cost to you in terms also relating to value after a few years - the Nissan's will appeal and it will make sense.
Remember, Nissans are built by, sold by, service by and driven by Americans here in the USA. - you want a better SUV, Nissan has it - sorry GM, you guys are a day late, and will be a few dollars short very soon.
Oct 27, 2005 (11:15 pm)
Draping French controlled Japaanese owned Nissan in US clothing is akin to relaxing with a carona in an LA Quake.
Dude, whatever your smoking, share the love!
Now, as for these new SUV's for 2007, it would be really nice to see that amazing 4.2L engine with DoD and VVT apparently, used in some of GM's other cars!
Why can't the Cadillac CTS, or Pontiac G6 GTP have some 300hp? For the cadillac, we see the lexus IS is now passed 300hp!!!! GM has the right engine here, drop it in the cadillac!
This engine can also be used in the full size cars and ESPECIALLY minivans, like the terrazza. Why not? If GM can put in in a 30K chevy, why not any other 30K GM product?
We all know that the previous generation TB's had there share of problems, if GM really improves the interrior thats great, but they need to fix the quality issues too. These can be really great SUV's, lets see what happens.
#11 of 35 Re: really? [exalteddragon1]
Oct 28, 2005 (12:06 am)
Regarding the GM minivans - they will get stronger engines for 2006. They will have a 3.9L, 240hp engine which is I believe the same one used in the upcoming Malibu and Malibu Maxx SS.
I think the Pontiac G6 GTP will also get the same engine.
The Grand Prix GXP does have 303 hp. No sense in having the smaller G6 with a similar number.
And the Cadillac CTS? A new one is coming out in 2007, so just wait a little while longer.......
Oct 29, 2005 (9:28 am)
that the competition has better engines. TOyotas 3.5 makes 300+hp in the Lexus. If GM really has a 6 cyl that can do that, they need it now. They need to dominate the market, now just match what other people are doing. Same goes for Ford.
Nissan has 250hp? Put in 275 on your G6.
Toyota has 306hp Put in that I6 with 300+ hp of your own
Honda has 300hp V6 that will find its was down the line soon, put in more power!
Do not let them have the upper hand! GM is doing better and better in quality, its time for the feautes and power to be there too!
#13 of 35 EXT or Regular?
Nov 04, 2005 (10:29 am)
Hard to tell from the photos if this is a seven passenger or a five passenger. I think it looks good, but GM needs to stay away from the "egg" look for SUV's.
Regarding the Nissan Murano comment earlier being a better vehicle, that is your opinion. I rode in Murano and the transmission shifted harsh, road noise was high, and the engine was gruff. AWD? So what...I have had AWD vehicles before and it was a maintenace nightware. Yes, you might get better traction down the road, but the maintenance was not worth this gain in my opinion. The Murano is much smaller and I felt clausterphobic with the "busy" interior.
I had a 1990 Nissan Maxima that was nothing but problems.
I think society has been brainwashed to judge Japanese vehicles as superior than U.S these days. I will agree the Japanese engineers did a better job in the 1980's, but GM has closed the gap. Yes, Lexus and Infiniti have some very good vehicles, but my wife's Lexus RX300 is total crap!!! I think Ford is in trouble because their engineering is falling behind. Diamler Chrysler is doing good with Hemi advertising, but people who know cars know the hemi is mostly advertising...who really cares if a pistion is round or oval shape!!! All that really matters is the overall size!!!!
GM has too many products, and their products are competiting against each other.
GM should do the following:
When it comes to trucks, people think Chevy, GMC and Hummer. Not Buick, Saturn, or Pontiac!!! Come on guys!!!
When it comes to Vans, people think Chevy and GMC (like trucks), not Buick, Saturn, or Pontiac!!!
#14 of 35 Re: EXT or Regular? [gmfan]
by Kirstie@Edmunds HOST
Nov 05, 2005 (5:21 am)
Let's not veer off on the Japanese- vs. American-made vehicles, nor on GM quality in general. The News & Views board is the place for those conversations. Let's stick to the specific vehicles in the discussion title, please. Thanks!
#15 of 35 Re: Go try the Nissan Murano [clarencehollow]
Nov 06, 2005 (5:05 pm)
My brother in law was 500 miles from home with his wife and kids and just had his '02 xterra fail due to engine sludge. Looking at 3 to 5000 dollars to repair. His 1999 chevy pickup is his only vehicle til' he gets the nissan back so he can unload it.
#16 of 35 07 trailblazer
Jan 02, 2006 (1:43 pm)
I would like to see the truck stay with the body on frame design, with the normal improved GM interior as seen on the Tahoe, the new 6 speed auto. I don't want the truck to go up in price or size. it is the perfect size, and I love the turning radius.
I would like to see, however, better OEM tires, and more ground clearance.
#17 of 35 Re: EXT or Regular? [gmfan]
May 26, 2006 (3:48 pm)
i read somewhere the 7 passenger has been discontinued
Jun 11, 2006 (12:03 pm)
Just saw a picture in a magazine at the jeep dealership showed to me by a jeep employee. Another unibody to replace the trailblazer? The Lambda? Replace the equinox with it. TRAILBLAZER is a great name - why not make the vehicle as good as the name.
As very disgruntled liberty crd owners-and happy malibu owners, we were hoping for a TRAILBLAZER as the replacement for this oil burner(literally). We want a good body on a good frame with a good pushrod engine. Get back to the basics and if you give me real 4wd with recirc ball and not rubber boots everywhere and without an aluminum front dif, so much the better. Jeep can be easily beaten - hire their disgruntled engineers?.
We will do a free commercial for you when we exchange our crd for a new real TRAILBLAZER.
Mr. & Mrs. Tired_Old_Dave