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You are in the BMW 3-Series
What is this discussion about?
Lexus IS, Lexus IS 250, Lexus IS 350, BMW 3 Series, Sedan
#79 of 1527 Re: C&D [mikegiller]
Oct 28, 2005 (3:41 pm)
That's an interesting write up... I feel both cars are in the same class but they're completely different cars, you know; the same but different. For bells, whistles, and luxury I would choose the Lexus hands down. For performance, roadfeel, and cornering the BMW hands down. You do put a spin on this whole discussion by taking a lot out of context too. Seems you don't like BMW's, and I've never felt any car's interior would cause me to vomit. As for reliability, I've owned several BMW's circa 1997 and newer and have put over 200,000 miles on them and not once, not a single time did they leave me stranded from a breakdown, or failed to start. No joke.
#81 of 1527 Re: Test drive comparo [legar]
Oct 28, 2005 (4:23 pm)
Yes, the 325 is a BORING CAR. It's BMW loss leader! It is cheap, by a large margin. It's demographic is 20-25 year olds, and it shows. Have you talked to any new 325 owners? They're freakingly childish. Just go to www.e90post.com and try to compare a lexus with them and they get millitant! Seriously. It's actually rather entertaining to watch the dialog.
I find it hard to believe that you don't recognize a bmw against the backdrop of japanese designs out there... there is a stark contrast imo. Maybe it's the morphene JK you're on.
Apparently you're part of the shiny shirt club since you like things that are flashy; heck you might even be blond (JK) - a car might look fun inside, and that's what you're looking for, but I'm looking for a car that performs better than it LOOKS. ; )
#82 of 1527 Re: Easy comparo [potemkin]
Oct 28, 2005 (4:30 pm)
Shipping cost is included with the price. So is insurance. A lot is included with the ED price. You need to do your research before you knock a post, IMO.
#83 of 1527 Re: Test drive comparo [j0mamma]
Oct 28, 2005 (5:02 pm)
The demographic of the 325 is quite irrelevant. Most manufacturers want a loss leader that is the flop like the 325. Do you think some of the comments about the acceleration of the 350 is any more mature than what you allude to?
#84 of 1527 Re: Define "performance" and "handling" [sdiver68]
Oct 28, 2005 (5:30 pm)
I'm with you 100%.
There is Luxury Performance, the measure of how nice a ride is. There is cornering performance, the mesure of how many g's you can pull in the skid pad. Then there is straight line performance. "Performance" is very objective and needs to be "handled" with specific measurements. BMW clearly does the best job of satisfying the visceral aspect of driving and very high marks for luxury at the same time. Lexus does a superb job with pampering you and solid feel, while their performance execution is only good on paper. It's really that simple. At Laguna Seca, the 330i will kick the snot out of a IS350... A trip to Vegas? I would take the Lexus.
#85 of 1527 Re: Test drive comparo [kdshapiro]
Oct 28, 2005 (5:41 pm)
The demographic of the 325 is quite irrelevant to what?
Most manufactures want a loss leader that is the flop like the 325?
***When did the 325 become a flop?***
Do I think some of the comments about the acceleration of the 350 is any more mature than what I'm alluding to? I don't know what the heck you're talking about? I was talking about the 325, not the IS 350... you're assume too much.
#86 of 1527 Re: Define "performance" and "handling" [mikegiller]
Oct 28, 2005 (5:47 pm)
I don't think kdshapiro is reading the whole thread before jumping in... I did that when I first joined this forum because the messages aren't grouped together very well...
#87 of 1527 Re: Reliability [g17]
Oct 28, 2005 (5:56 pm)
Honestly, I can't remember the last time I saw a NEW BMW, MB or Lexus on the side of the road. In fact I haven't seen ANY NEW CARS on the side of the road... This is hogwash!
#88 of 1527 Re: Passionate Pursuit of BMW [dl7265]
Oct 28, 2005 (6:06 pm)
Excellent write up. The VDUM, er VDIM or the YAW control takes the YE-HAW out of the car at .80G. Insert YAWN here... LOL! That's why you felt something awry around the twisties; silly huh? With that much meat at the back end something is wrong... they're hiding something ugly that happens at .85g's I'm sure.