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Sedans BMW 3-Series BMW 3-series vs Lexus IS
1527 messages, Last post on May 20, 2009 at 1:33 PM
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Replying to: jtla (Feb 23, 2007 12:16 am)
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Replying to: jerry k (Feb 23, 2007 12:48 pm) Here is another set of figures for your reference. For 36 mo/15k miles lease program, BMW 328i has a money factor of .00155 ((3.72%) and a residual of 61%, whereas Lexus IS250 has a money factor of .00255 (6.12%) and residual at 57%. This is why BMW is a better value when leasing for 2-3 years. Leasing for terms longer than 3 years would not make financial sense in most cases, because the money factor jumps (sometimes double) and the residual drops like a rock. I would purchase the car if I plan to keep it for 3+ years. But then, that is another analysis.
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Replying to: jtla (Feb 23, 2007 1:45 pm) |
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Replying to: dave330i (Feb 27, 2006 2:57 pm) Just what I always wanted in my sport sedan. A kicka$$ stereo & A/C. They've always been #1 & 2 on my list. I guess this explains why the Lexus crowd can't understand BMW folks. FYI, I don't drive a 330i anymore. Pat deleted my post regarding that. funny how i mentioned in this same post that the IS350 must be nearly the ultimate driving machine since it can absolutely dust any 330i and nearly every bmw ever made. funny how i mentioned that hands down it has a vastly superior interior and price tag and only the air con and stereo statement gets cracked on. that's disappointing and desperate at the same time. i would also get rid of my old 330i too when i came to the realization that it costs nearly 45K and is a huge rip-off.
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Replying to: grylexis300 (May 04, 2007 1:56 am) It's about the drive which leads you to the ultimate conclusion. Regards, OW |
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I had a Lexus IS 300 and my cousin had an 328 and my Lexus definitely held up much better over time, despite far more aggresive driving on my part. His 328 had numerous problems, perhaps the most embarasing failure being a water pump failure, which required me to help him out. My Lexus had never failed me mechanically despite very aggresive and constant hard driving. The car was in abysmal cosmetic condition I only got a $5,000 trade in value but the car was mechanically sound at 130K miles and probably had at least 70k-100k miles of service life. His bmw according to him was literally falling apart at 118K. If you like driving fast I think it means driving hard and there is nothing more important than having a car that can be abused day and day out, this is where Lexus and Toyota shine. If you want to just transportation just buy a Prius. Sure the BMW'r may be a great handling and fast car but most modern cars are so fast that most people will never even approach a car's limit in even something so humble as an ES 350. I've driven one too and in the right hands it can be very quick and fast around high speed corners, although the "feel" may be disagreeable to some. The handling limits of modern cars are just too high to be a true issue for most drivers on public roads,perhaps at a race track but certainly not on our streets and highways. So reliability in my opinion should be key criteria. |
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Replying to: grylexis300 (May 04, 2007 1:56 am) Don't know about the current generation (E90) 3-series, but the previous generation (the E46) has been a pretty reliable car. My 330i, purchased new in 2001, has been out of warranty for almost 2 years & has only in the shop once. It helps that when I ordered the car, I stacked the deck in my favor by avoiding the navigation system -- the Japanese are better at that stuff than the Germans -- & the automatic transmission. Since I prefer a stick, that wasn't a hardship. I respect Toyota/Lexus. My wife so liked her '99 ES 300 that she replaced it a few months ago with an '07 ES 350. It's just that they aren't a whole lot of fun to drive. I've driven the IS 350. It's a well-made, comfortable car. But the best thing that you can say about the driving experience is that it's pleasant. It's just too soft around the edges to be genuinely engaging. I'll probably replace my BMW in a couple of years. Since I'm not blindly loyal to BMW, I'll test-drive every car on the market with RWD & a stick that's priced under $50K. If Toyota can see its way clear to offering a stick on the IS 350 by then, I'll certainly test-drive it & seriously consider it. After all, I'm a reasonable guy.
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Replying to: jimbres (May 04, 2007 4:12 am) Well, that's not going to take you long -- my top two requirements are the same as yours & there's only a handful of cars involved. The RWD eliminates all the less-expensive cars & the manual transmission cuts out the vast majority of the really expensive ones -- does simplify the search though, I guess. If you want a fold-down rear seat, two fall off & if you don't want to get stung with another American effort that could be derailed at any moment, another couple go by the wayside. The IS is simply too small inside, particularly in back (& not all that light in the bargain) & doesn't have that fold-down seat thing. Good luck with your search. Let us know how it turns out when the time comes.
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Replying to: cdnpinhead (May 04, 2007 5:06 am) I'm intrigued by what I've read about the upcoming Cadillac CTS & I'm just unstable enough to find the idea of a stick-shift Caddy perversely appealing. By the time I'm ready to buy anything, the new CTS will have been on the market for 2 years. If it hasn't disgraced itself by then, I'll look closely at it. |
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Replying to: jimbres (May 04, 2007 5:49 am) Said another way, BMW has already raised the bar with the 335. Regards, OW
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