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#1459 of 1527 Re: IS 250: BMW 328 [jtla] by from_fl Feb 23, 2007 (7:09 am)
Replying to: jtla (Feb 22, 2007 7:45 pm) Hope you say the same thing about your 328 after 5 years.. Replies to this message: jtla (Feb 23, 2007 8:04 am)
#1460 of 1527 Re: IS 250: BMW 328 [cdnpinhead] by jtla Feb 23, 2007 (7:56 am)
Replying to: cdnpinhead (Feb 23, 2007 5:22 am) You are right. I stand corrected. When I priced IS250 in carsdirect.com, there was only one style available -- automatic. It appears that, once chosen this only style, you can unselect the automatic transmission in configuration page.   http://www.carsdirect.com/build/style?make=LE&modelid=599&zipcode=90064&trim_gro- ups=rear-wheeldrive,
#1461 of 1527 Re: IS 250: BMW 328 [from_fl] by jtla Feb 23, 2007 (8:04 am)
Replying to: from_fl (Feb 23, 2007 7:09 am) If you are referring to the joy of driving the 3-series, I am sure I will still feel the same 5 years from now. If you are referring to maintenance, my lease term is 3 years so it will all be covered.
#1462 of 1527 Re: 2006 BMW 3-series vs. 2006 Lexus IS [carmonkey] by kdshapiro Feb 23, 2007 (8:22 am)
Replying to: carmonkey (Feb 22, 2007 8:16 pm) There was an interesting post by spiritinthesky regarding non-professional driving of the 350, 335i and G35, in one of the forums. You might want to search for that post, his take....the IS comes in last in terms of performance. So before you start bragging about how fast the IS 350 is, there are two cars that are faster.
#1463 of 1527 Re: IS 250: BMW 328 [jtla] by jerry k Feb 23, 2007 (12:48 pm)
Replying to: jtla (Feb 23, 2007 12:16 am) Thank you for the kind message - no disrespect for either you or me or our cars - that's why at different points in one's life you appreciate different things. Music is a good example and various other things. Also, you're right: I did pay cash for my car - which listed at $37,800 - I figure the same comparably equipped 328 would have cost me $41,000 (and I paid $32,000 for mine). As far as residual value: I have never leased but I was swayed by Kipplingers Magazine which stated that an IS 250 would be worth 43% after five years while a 328 would be worth 42%! Replies to this message: jtla (Feb 23, 2007 1:45 pm) jerry k (Feb 23, 2007 2:21 pm)
#1464 of 1527 Re: IS 250: BMW 328 [jerry k] by jtla Feb 23, 2007 (1:45 pm)
Replying to: jerry k (Feb 23, 2007 12:48 pm) So, MSRP to MSRP, the price difference between IS250 and 328i is in the $4k to 5k range, as Shipo estimated. At $5,800 off sticker, you got a fantastic deal for the IS250. One can get similar discount on 3-series when doing ED, plus the saving of car rental in Europe trip. At the end, car purchase is a very personal decision. Everyone will pick what best suits his/her particular needs and/or preference.   Here is another set of figures for your reference. For 36 mo/15k miles lease program, BMW 328i has a money factor of .00155 ((3.72%) and a residual of 61%, whereas Lexus IS250 has a money factor of .00255 (6.12%) and residual at 57%. This is why BMW is a better value when leasing for 2-3 years.   Leasing for terms longer than 3 years would not make financial sense in most cases, because the money factor jumps (sometimes double) and the residual drops like a rock. I would purchase the car if I plan to keep it for 3+ years. But then, that is another analysis. Replies to this message: jerry k (Feb 23, 2007 2:21 pm)
#1465 of 1527 Re: IS 250: BMW 328 [jtla] by jerry k Feb 23, 2007 (2:21 pm)
Replying to: jtla (Feb 23, 2007 1:45 pm) Bottom Line is that we're both happy with our deals! I paid cash for IS 250 because I sold my 2004 CLK 320 to a neighbor of mine who gave me $40,000 for it. That gave me enough left over to put about $5,000 towards the SUV my wife wants to get - in that respect one of the cars we are considering is the BMW X3 - also the Lexus RX 350 - so you see I still believe in BMW.
#1466 of 1527 Re: IF ONLY THE IS350 COULD [dave330i] by grylexis300 May 04, 2007 (1:56 am)
Replying to: dave330i (Feb 27, 2006 2:57 pm) there are folks who will rationalize how the 3 series is superior until the end of time but the facts will remain the same. the lexus will definitely keep you out of the repair shop much less than a bmw 3, it will blow you away with the best air conditioner you will ever find in any car, it will blow you away with its kick a$& stereo system on your drive to work."    Just what I always wanted in my sport sedan. A kicka$$ stereo & A/C. They've always been #1 & 2 on my list. I guess this explains why the Lexus crowd can't understand BMW folks.    FYI, I don't drive a 330i anymore. Pat deleted my post regarding that.   funny how i mentioned in this same post that the IS350 must be nearly the ultimate driving machine since it can absolutely dust any 330i and nearly every bmw ever made. funny how i mentioned that hands down it has a vastly superior interior and price tag and only the air con and stereo statement gets cracked on.   that's disappointing and desperate at the same time. i would also get rid of my old 330i too when i came to the realization that it costs nearly 45K and is a huge rip-off. Replies to this message: circlew (May 04, 2007 2:52 am) jimbres (May 04, 2007 4:12 am) cdnpinhead (May 04, 2007 5:06 am) jimbres (May 04, 2007 5:49 am) and 11 more...
#1467 of 1527 Re: IF ONLY THE IS350 COULD [grylexis300] by circlew May 04, 2007 (2:52 am)
Replying to: grylexis300 (May 04, 2007 1:56 am) I think you need to experience the 330 before you blow steam about your Lexus.   It's about the drive which leads you to the ultimate conclusion.   Regards, OW
#1468 of 1527 Reliability is Important Too by mefistofeles May 04, 2007 (3:52 am)
I had a Lexus IS 300 and my cousin had an 328 and my Lexus definitely held up much better over time, despite far more aggresive driving on my part.   His 328 had numerous problems, perhaps the most embarasing failure being a water pump failure, which required me to help him out.   My Lexus had never failed me mechanically despite very aggresive and constant hard driving. The car was in abysmal cosmetic condition I only got a $5,000 trade in value but the car was mechanically sound at 130K miles and probably had at least 70k-100k miles of service life. His bmw according to him was literally falling apart at 118K.   If you like driving fast I think it means driving hard and there is nothing more important than having a car that can be abused day and day out, this is where Lexus and Toyota shine. If you want to just transportation just buy a Prius.   Sure the BMW'r may be a great handling and fast car but most modern cars are so fast that most people will never even approach a car's limit in even something so humble as an ES 350. I've driven one too and in the right hands it can be very quick and fast around high speed corners, although the "feel" may be disagreeable to some.   The handling limits of modern cars are just too high to be a true issue for most drivers on public roads,perhaps at a race track but certainly not on our streets and highways. So reliability in my opinion should be key criteria.

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