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Honda Civic, Coupe, Hatchback
#986 of 1035 Re: Turbo kit [tayl0rd]
Sep 07, 2007 (8:08 am)
And a lot of people don't even bother with suspension, chassis, brake upgrades when throwing on power adders.
These people are known as ricers, and shouldn't be allowed to touch any car with intentions to modify it with a ten foot pole.
Sorry for assuming he was going to 'tune' his car the RIGHT way. I guess i should have known he wouldn't after reading that he was considering turboing an lx civic to begin with!
But even if he did, he might be able to get a turbo system and some springs and still come out a little less than the cost of an Si, especially if he's talking about a coupe. The Si coupe costs right next to seven thousand dollars more than a base coupe.
even a base coupe ( a dx) costs 15k. So at the very most, you are talking about a 6k difference. But he has an lx, so the difference is more like 4500.
Slapping some springs isn't going to do much with stock wheels and tires except make his handling WORSE. and when you turbo a car, you MUST prepare the suspension and chassis (coilovers, or springs, struts, strut tower bars etc) first, or youll be ready for disaster.
Do you realize how much turbo kits are? they are not cheap, especially for newer cars. And if there are any turbo kits for the r18, a lame company probably attempted it and again, we have a recepie for unreliability.
And when all is said and done, even after the turbo, he'll have a car thats slightly quicker than the si, and certainly not worth the cost it took to do it. ON top of that, it wont hold a candle to the si's handling.
#987 of 1035 Re: Turbo kit [eldaino]
Sep 07, 2007 (11:42 am)
eldaino is completely right. Again, the R18 is a great economy model engine; if you wanted performance, the Si, WRX TR, EVO, MS3, GTI, etc. are great platforms to start tuning from. The base models are absolutely upgradeable, but the cost-effectiveness just isn't there. We're just helping you understand, hopefully, but in the end it's your money: throw it away however you want.
It's like buying a fiberglass bathtub and deciding to add a set of claw feet to it... sure you can do it, it's just not a good idea. Just get the right platform to start.
#988 of 1035 Re: Turbo kit [iomatic]
Sep 11, 2007 (1:18 pm)
thanks for the back up brotha.
this is one of the reasons i try and stay away from the 8thgen civic forums; to many nice people on that website that want to do this, and they get nuts over the parts that are available.
Its really silly stuff too, like going through the trouble of finding si sway bars because they are thicker. Its just silly.
#989 of 1035 Re: Turbo kit [eldaino]
Sep 17, 2007 (4:27 pm)
8th gen? That place has a downright friendly Aloha spirit, compared to the more juvenile honda-tech forums.
#990 of 1035 Re: Turbo kit [iomatic]
Sep 19, 2007 (7:50 am)
well, yeah i guess it does.
i can hold my own against some mugen b series whore, its just dealing with the 'i can't wait till x company is done with the turbo for the r18!' kind of stuff.
#991 of 1035 this is all too common....
Sep 20, 2007 (8:49 am)
Taking a good base car and wanting to "fix it up" is a theme I've seen for years on other forums. Every 3rd person that logged onto the (now defunct) Camryman forum was a 16 year old kid, who being given an 93 i4 AT camry with 90k miles on it wanted to swap the v6 and a supercharger and manual.
They seemed to think that spending 5k on a car worth maybe 3k was somehow a neat thing to do. I usually suggested they save their money for a real "fast" car someday.
Some listened, if only when mommy-san said no.
Others took the more than adequate v6 and after putting the charger on it, decided that 250HP wasn't enough, so dropped the pulley diameter to crank it up to near 300hp. And then wondered why their once-ultra-reliable Toyota engine was blowing smoke and drinking oil like there was no tomorrow....
#992 of 1035 Re: this is all too common.... [kenlw]
Sep 27, 2007 (9:28 am)
i have seen it justified before though.
taking a mid 90's civic hatchback and swapping in a performance oriented b series motor or even a new k series like in the si yields some very impressive results.
its very common to see guys with old coupes and hatches spend about 8k on a k series swap and then have their cars doing 13's or less in the quater mile for a fraction of what other cars cost.
but the supercharged camry is a bit much.
#993 of 1035 impressive but pointless
Sep 28, 2007 (8:32 am)
..what you've done is taken a fairly reliable car, pump a bunch of dollars into it, and now you have a fastER but much less reliable car. You've also lowered the resale and spent enough $$ to buy a REAL fast car.
It makes no more sense on an old Civic than it does on an old Camry if it is your daily driver and you need reliable transportation.
A garage build that only comes out for real races (on real tracks) is a totally different beast.
#994 of 1035 Re: Civic SI comfortable on long drives and other questions [themistocles]
Sep 29, 2007 (6:45 pm)
I'll vouch for the seats in the Si. Very, very comfy.
As far as learning to drive on it, I wouldn't sweat it too much, as long as you give yourself a bit to get comfortable before shifting into boy racer mode.
Other than a 5 minute drive in an old Porsche 944, I had never driven a manual before I bought my 95 Civic EX manual new. I stalled it a few times on the test drive. I was fairly comfortable with it in a day (though hills took a couple of weeks).
My dad had it after me, and relearned how to drive a MT after 25 years in automatics. It still had the original clutch and tranny when he sold it 6 months ago (with 115k on the clock).
Running a manual in traffic can be a pain for some. On the up side, the civic has a super light clutch, so it's more of a figurative pain. As long as you don't anticipate eating, talking on the phone, and shaving while you (attempt to) drive, you should be OK> Doing stop and go in my 99 Mustang Cobra for 4 hours (hurrican evacuation) was a LITERAL pain. I could barely walk when I got out of the car.
#995 of 1035 Re: impressive but pointless [kenlw]
Oct 10, 2007 (9:24 am)
ken do you have any real knowledge about the tuning 'scene' because to say that only a garage build for real races is what works is just as bad as the kids who think they are cool with the fart can mufflers.
ASIDE from the exquiste power to weight ratio, and stock handling traits, putting a more powerful engine into civic is easy because honda also built the more powerful engine; done properly, there are virtually no issues, and its been proven.
And probably the main reason that souping up small honda four cylinders ever got popular is BECAUSE they are legendary for accepting powerful mods WIHOUT any affect to reliabilty. Again, something that has been proven. Do they fail sometimes? Ofcourse, but the reason many are drawn to honda is the fact that the engines are bulletproof to being with.
As far as the camry goes, it really has NOTHING going for it, no ounce of handling or a good power to weight ratio. THAT is whats pointless.
Mind you, the mods in question that i was reffering to on smaller hondas are not very expensive at all. Certainly not the 30k some sports cars demand. Though you can spend that much and still obliterate them.