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Replying to: tayl0rd (Sep 06, 2007 7:11 am) did you read my response at all? the r18, while it probably would be reliable even with a turbo as most honda engines are, was NOT made for this type of application; thats why cars like the si exist. If he had these plans from the get go, an si should have been his first consideration, especially since it trumps the regular civc about 2 seconds on its zero to sixty time, which is about where a small turbo would put his civic. and if he was resloved to turbo anyway, the si is a fantastic platform, remember, his civic will need all kinds of suspension work done to compensate for the extra power, again another expense that makes it not worth it. so in a few paragraphs, no, its not 'better' its unnecessary. thats what the si is for. if it was free, ok. but unfortunately, its going to cost a lot, totally negating any 'benefits' of a project like this. It also makes you wonder if honda's marketing is working, because people are actually sitting there thinking about all the stuff they can do with their civics, instead of just having bought an si. Its not more cost efficient, and the si is not expensive! what gives? 
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Replying to: eldaino (Sep 06, 2007 7:33 am)
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Replying to: tayl0rd (Sep 06, 2007 8:11 am) Not sure where you are shopping but the MSRP is $16,760 LX manual and $21,090 Si manual for a difference of $4330 not almost $7k. As already stated, the Si is going to do far better than an LX as a builder platform, especially at this price difference. |
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Replying to: tayl0rd (Sep 06, 2007 8:11 am) These people are known as ricers, and shouldn't be allowed to touch any car with intentions to modify it with a ten foot pole. Sorry for assuming he was going to 'tune' his car the RIGHT way. I guess i should have known he wouldn't after reading that he was considering turboing an lx civic to begin with!  But even if he did, he might be able to get a turbo system and some springs and still come out a little less than the cost of an Si, especially if he's talking about a coupe. The Si coupe costs right next to seven thousand dollars more than a base coupe. even a base coupe ( a dx) costs 15k. So at the very most, you are talking about a 6k difference. But he has an lx, so the difference is more like 4500. Slapping some springs isn't going to do much with stock wheels and tires except make his handling WORSE. and when you turbo a car, you MUST prepare the suspension and chassis (coilovers, or springs, struts, strut tower bars etc) first, or youll be ready for disaster. Do you realize how much turbo kits are? they are not cheap, especially for newer cars. And if there are any turbo kits for the r18, a lame company probably attempted it and again, we have a recepie for unreliability. And when all is said and done, even after the turbo, he'll have a car thats slightly quicker than the si, and certainly not worth the cost it took to do it. ON top of that, it wont hold a candle to the si's handling.
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Replying to: eldaino (Sep 07, 2007 7:08 am) It's like buying a fiberglass bathtub and deciding to add a set of claw feet to it... sure you can do it, it's just not a good idea. Just get the right platform to start.
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Replying to: iomatic (Sep 07, 2007 10:42 am)  this is one of the reasons i try and stay away from the 8thgen civic forums; to many nice people on that website that want to do this, and they get nuts over the parts that are available. Its really silly stuff too, like going through the trouble of finding si sway bars because they are thicker. Its just silly.
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Replying to: eldaino (Sep 11, 2007 12:18 pm)
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Replying to: iomatic (Sep 17, 2007 3:27 pm) i can hold my own against some mugen b series whore, its just dealing with the 'i can't wait till x company is done with the turbo for the r18!' kind of stuff.
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Taking a good base car and wanting to "fix it up" is a theme I've seen for years on other forums. Every 3rd person that logged onto the (now defunct) Camryman forum was a 16 year old kid, who being given an 93 i4 AT camry with 90k miles on it wanted to swap the v6 and a supercharger and manual. They seemed to think that spending 5k on a car worth maybe 3k was somehow a neat thing to do. I usually suggested they save their money for a real "fast" car someday. Some listened, if only when mommy-san said no. Others took the more than adequate v6 and after putting the charger on it, decided that 250HP wasn't enough, so dropped the pulley diameter to crank it up to near 300hp. And then wondered why their once-ultra-reliable Toyota engine was blowing smoke and drinking oil like there was no tomorrow....
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Replying to: kenlw (Sep 20, 2007 7:49 am) taking a mid 90's civic hatchback and swapping in a performance oriented b series motor or even a new k series like in the si yields some very impressive results. its very common to see guys with old coupes and hatches spend about 8k on a k series swap and then have their cars doing 13's or less in the quater mile for a fraction of what other cars cost. but the supercharged camry is a bit much. 
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