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Replying to: sheltiepup (Oct 21, 2005 6:34 pm) Your $1,000 quote comes close to the approximately $950 that I was told by a (not particularly knowledgeable) Honda salesman the other day. Those numbers are crazy. We're in Accord territory here with just the addition of an XM tuner. |
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I wrote earlier that I reserved an '06 LX coupe 5sp. that is coming in Nov.1. Well I went to the dealer today to put a deposit down on it and they had an atomic blue in the showroom. Wasn't crazy about that color. The salesman took me outside to show me the only Galaxy Gray Coupe (with the Gray interior) they had on the lot which was sold already and was an automatic. I got inside and checked everything out (I coulnt' drive it because it was sold). I 'm 6'2 and that handbrake was definitely in my way and annoying. I pushed the seat all the way back, further in, different positions and then back to where it would normally be when I drive. No matter how adjusted the seat my leg would rest on the handbrake. Wasn't thrilled about that because it felt like a stick on my knee and not soft, smooth or like a flat surface.. I noticed a lot of plastic in the car as well. The dashboard I thought was really cool and having another foot and a half of space behind the steering wheel and not been able to see the hood will take some time to get used to I imagine, but I really do think they did a great job with the speedometer and odometer and the cool blue lighting. Seat/cloth material looked average to below average and NOT as good as in my '01 EX coupe. I also sat in an atomic blue sedan EX with gray interior and it was the same material & design as the LX. So EX & LX seem to have the exact same quality cloth. The gray color is very blant and a little on the light side, almost identical to my '97 DX Hatchback. The quality of this cloth is not that great. Previous generation Civics had better cloth material. Even the salesman agreed with me. I was a disappointed about that because it shows that Honda is cutting corners and going cheap with some things, very important things like the seat cover material. I guess I went there with high expectations which I shouldn't, and came out feeling like I was let down. I 'm not even sure if I like the Galaxy Gray. I have a dark blue '01 Civic now so I can't get the Royal blue because it's basically the same color. My wife has a silver CRV so I don't want to get the silver either. These are the only 3 colors with the gray interior. The only one I liked was the BLACK and that comes with a very light tan (ivory) which I didn't like at all, although the cloth material felt like it was better quality than the gray. So now I don't know what to do. Honda has really upset me and I think they 'll be losing a faithful customer of 12yrs. They really messed up with this ivory thing plus the gray cloth feels very cheap. Visibility is not good either. The so-called "160W stereo" was also disappointing. I also cranked up the 350W stereo in a black EX coupe. These stereos do NOT put out the wattage they claim. They can if you have 160W or 350W speakers, but they install cheap 10-20W speakers in the car. So you will never experience anything close to 160W which would blow your ear drums right out anyway. If anyone here knows anything about stereos or have ever built their own system, you would know that 160W can be very loud and bad for your hearing, especially in an enclosed environment like a car cabin. If you want true 160 or 350W you 'll have to install good speakers yourself. So I agree with others, that the stereo was also a little disappointing but that's not my primary concern, as long as it's clear and I get quality sound out of it. So my overall impression of the car and comparing it to my '01 EX was not that great. The new Civic also looks smaller and shorter than the previous generation. It's probably because of the steep angle of the windshield. Headroom was barely acceptable. My head was 1/2" away from the roof and I know when going over bumps my head will hit just like now with my '01. I wasn't really impressed with it. Luckily I haven't test driven one yet. The only 2 coupes they had (black EX and gray LX) were automatic and sold. I 'm hoping the test drive on Nov.1st or 2nd will change my mind about the new Civic. I also think for the price I got quoted ($15,995) it is still worth it considering all the airbags and safety features this car has, but I don't think the car is worth much more than that. I watched (and heard) people at the tables around me at the dealership, ordering new Civics with options and signing contracts for $19-20K and was asking myself why, when they can have the new redesigned '06 Accord LX coupe or sedan (4cyl.) for the same price. Granted, the Accord will have a few less options but the Accord dwarfs the Civic and will have a better resale value (since the LX stickers for $21K). All the Civics I saw were right next to an Accord and they looked tiny compared to their bigger cousin. Not only that, the Accords looked just as good or better, especially the coupes and stuck out more than the Civics that were parked next to them. If it weren't for my 160mi. daily commute I 'd say the hek with the 4-5mpg difference and get the '06 Accord coupe. |
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Replying to: only1harry (Oct 22, 2005 5:49 pm) |
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Replying to: only1harry (Oct 22, 2005 5:49 pm) Your three biggest gripes, if I'm not overlooking something in your posting, are- 1- the handbrake poking into your right leg (I'm same height as you and had the same problem with it when I test drove 2- poor choice in interior color/fabric (also gripe of mine, I prefer black interior and heavy fabric like they use in the Accord) 3- stereo isn't that great on LX model The first thought that came to mind as I was reading your post was that the Accord LX Coupe would probably be a better bet for you. Then I got to the last line where you mentioned liking the Accord except for the lower fuel economy compared to the Civic. Being a numbers guy (I'm an accountant AND car enthusiast), I decided to do a little figuring. Here's what I came up with- Civic LX 5-speed, 800 miles weekly commute at 38 mpg = 22.22 gallons per week Accord LX 5-speed, 800 miles weekly commute at 34 mpg = 23.53 gallong per week The difference in the two cars is 1.3 gallons per week which equals 77.6 per year. Gas in most areas is under $3/gallon, so at that rate you'd use about $233 more gas per year in the Accord vs. the Civic. Obviously the numbers I used are highway mileage and real world mileage will almost certainly differ, but I was just wanting to illustrate that it isn't that huge of a difference. The other big plus for the Accord is more color options that have black interior and the Accord LX interior fabric feels and looks very high quality. Here are the colors with black interior- Alabaster Silver Graphite Nighthawk Black (yes, black on black!) I'm not sure about the '06 Accord LX stereo, but I have a friend with an '05 LX Sedan and the stereo sounds great. I hope this helps you out. The other big factor is the Accord's price. It will run you $2000-2500 more than the $16k quote you got on the Civic. In my opinion, it'd be worth it. Good luck! Hope this helps you at least a little. One more thing- if all else fails and Accord or Civic doesn't work out for you, there is always the Mazda3 i that gets 35mpg. Just a thought...
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Replying to: only1harry (Oct 22, 2005 5:49 pm)  ? Have not checked the mpg as of yet. The gauge is still maxed out and has not budged on the display. I drive only city, no highway, so it will be interesting to see what I get. The seats are very forum fitting for my size and like it. Glad I don't have anyone for the back seat in this coupe, since my head does hit the ceiling when I tried it out, and have to bend over to keep from rubbing the top. Just enough room up front with the moonroof. Over all, I like it. |
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Well, not completely useless. The Civic Coupe felt a little better than the Chevy Cobalt...but not by much. In San Francisco, we had (actully it continues today) test drive auto shows in two different locales - Monster Park for Honda, and Alameda Navy Base for GM. The problem is, the courses are extremely short, you can't really go very fast (over 20 mph?) before you start hitting cones due to the sharp curves, and all the cars I drove, except the Element (and this includes the Malibu at the GM drive) accelerate fine (it's only up to 20!) and zip through the course without much body lean. The Element accelerates fine, but had a lot more body lean. In fact, I was wondering at times if I was going to tip it over, and see a real need for stability control as a safety factor (it felt like it would tip before sliding). Except, the Coupe feels firmer than the Cobalt and previous Civics, and the ride is still smooth. About all the extravagant shows convinced me to do, is to take a "real world" test drive at a dealer. |
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I havent seen the maint. sch. for Si yet. But I can share with you mine will be put on the same sch. as our 05 Accord. M1 oil and filter changer aprox. every 7.5k miles Tranny drain and fill every 3rd oil change. ( Accord 5at, Si 6mt ) still going to do it the same. K&N lay in air filter installed and washed and reoiled ever 3rd oil change. Coolant and brake flush once a year. Zanio twice a year. Scotchguard once a year. dont see tires as a issue. Good rubber always cost a fair penny. looks like stock wheels and tires on the Si will fit the Accord. So Si will get 18" wheels and tires. Accord get a upgrade. As for fuel and the Si. It wont be driven daily. Its a second car for evenings and weekends. Wife and I ride in to Tulsa together so on the odd day or fridays when the Si gets the nod for the commute it will go and rather briskly at that  The way the wife and I see it from the wallet is the Si and Accord are going to cost about the same in total ownership cost and maint. Ins. on the Si should even be about the same as the Accord EX. Its a win for us. Accord gets a upgrade in wheels and tires ( thanks Si ) We get a late model sedan and a late model pocket rocket and enjoy the best of both worlds in our late 40's and early 50's. Our cool factor goes up with the grandchildren. And leaves our children green with envy. 
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Replying to: allfiredup (Oct 22, 2005 8:54 pm) Having owned 3 Civics in the past including the '01 EX MT I 'm driving now, which is 32/38, I 'm certain that I will see #s in the 20's with the Accord and that 's not acceptable to me. All Hondas get worse gas mileage in the winter or with colder temps under 60 deg. I live in NY. My '97 Civic (which was 33/38) and my current '01 get 31-33mpg in the winter depending how cold it gets. Spring/summer they averaged 35-37mpg (with my driving style). The Accord might get worse than 3-4mpg in the winter. Besides, gas might go up to $5/gal. or more. I 'm not willing to risk that. I 'm glad I don't like the Mazda 3 (its looks) because my coworker gets 28-30mpg with his base 3 (140hp) 5-sp. What they claim and what you get is a different story. Honda is usually very close with their mileage claims if you don't drive like a maniac. In any case the Accord coupe believe it or not is still in the back of my head. I 'm pretty sure in a couple of years I 'll be getting one because I think I 'm beginning to outgrow the Civics (I 'm 39). |
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I have read a lot about "the clutch seemed funny...the feel is different than other manuals I have driven...it took a bit to get used to...". Can anyone describe in more detail how they are different compare to the pass models? For example, is the clutch too sensitive (or more forgiving) when it is released too fast? Will the engine jerks if the clutch is released slowly without putting a bit more gas? (e.g. can slowly roll forward smoothly like a automatic tranmission without putting more gas)? Need more coordination between putting a bit more gas when release the clutch, etc.? I heard some drivers complaining about rubbery feel & pushing the MT stick to 3rd gear. Any details about throttle-by-wire? |
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