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#350 of 1035 Re: $25K for an Si? [only1harry]
Jan 04, 2006 (11:25 am)
5 times the car , how so ?
But you are right by the way a 2006 with VSC and with discounts runs closer to $31K. Heck who cares about the extra $9,000. 2006 Honda Civic dealers.
Let's see when I need to occasionally carry a third person I can strap thme on the softtop of the S2000.
It doesn't matter if I get lost, I can use Chuck-Chuck or Tom/Tom or Garmin on the S2000.
If I want respectable milage the S2000 will give me close to the rated 25 mpg highway. The Civic Si is only rated at 32.
And yes who need side curtains whan you have the top down most of the time.
And if I want to carry anything more than a briefcase I can strap it on also.
Any you don't have to lock, because they will just cut through the top. So I don't have to worry where I park the car.
I like those narrow S2000 seats they make me want to go on a diet! H'mm maybe that is good!
All thopse postive points on the S2000, yes I can see it is a better vlaue than a Civic Si!
I had a modifed 1995 GSR and wish I still had it; great car. You gotta low VTECHs.
soon to be double sixes,
P.S.- Yes I looked at the S2000, MX5, SKY and Mini S, but I decided a convertable didn't exactly meet my needs!
#351 of 1035 Re: Civic Si markups [mtbrider]
Jan 05, 2006 (12:17 am)
same here in california (los angeles area). i called many dealerships around they were selling the car for 25000 to 30000. they also told me that the dealerships are getting only one Si per month. i hope that Honda make many of them to meet the demand because i want the car but i wont pay that much.
#352 of 1035 Re: $25K for an Si? [midnightcowboy]
Jan 05, 2006 (9:18 am)
Midnight: Like I said, paying invoice for an Si is a good deal. But $25-30K is outrageous. It's still a Civic! What dealers are asking for the '06 Si today is close to a new S2K price range or more than some used S2K's which is why I mentioned it. There's no comparison between the two. The S2K is not for everyone and not for you because I gather you are looking for an everyday car although I wouldn't dare venture out in the snow for my 160mi. round trip commute on those 17's wheels & tires. The Si is not for everyone (not for me) either, especially when it runs on Premium gas.
The S2K is a real sports car with real performance #s, and it's RWD! Real sports cars are RWD. We 're talking 5.3s 0-60 and 13.5s in the 1/4 compared to 15sec for the Si and 6.8s 0-60. The S2K does everything 1.5s faster, not to mention the handling and the G's of the S2K are superior as well. I did a 14.96 at the dragstrip (after pulling several 15.0-15.1's) with my GSR with only a cheap header, AEM cold air intake, factory stock exhaust (Quaife LSD too & lighter flywheel). Car dynoed in at only 157.8hp at the wheels. Tires were Falken Azenis street tires. I ran a 14.79 in my brother's completely stock '98 Type-R, also on Azenis, which matched Motortrend Magazine's '00 road test of 14.8s.
In my case and others that have a daily driver and want a sports car to drive 8 months out of the year or do some weekend autocross racing or wknd track events and HPDEs, it's a good choice. I never recommended to all potential Si buyers to go out and buy an S2K instead.
There 's plenty of room in the S2K's trunk for even a suitcase. If you don't fit in the S2K's seats (I have a 36 waist and fit fine) then the car is definitely not for you. I just got an e-mail from a guy with an '04 (it's the 2.2L) S2000 begging me to buy his car for $24.5K because his wife is having a baby in a few weeks. It has 14k mi. The car is worth more. What am I supposed to tell him? No thanks, I 'm buying a Civic? He 'd be laughing at me for hours. BTW, my local dealer still had 2 left-over '05 S2000's at the beginning of December. They were giving them away for $29K even. I 'm sure I can talk them down to the $28's. Now that's a real bargain.
I would take an Integra Type-R over the new Si any day too. Similar #s (or even faster) but the Type-R weighs 250-300lbs less. '00-'01 Type-R is my 2nd choice to replace my aging '99 GSR that's been raced almost every weekend for 6yrs. Those Type-R's can be had for $13-17K depending on mileage. The only problem is half of them have been stolen and there are very few out there for sale. I remember reading a Car & Driver (or Road & Track) article in '98 when they did a full road test on a Type-R and all the editors and drivers were fighting afterwards over who was going to take it home.
Dealers tried to charge thousands $$ more too for the limited production Type-R's but Honda (Acura) quickly put a stop to it by ordering all the dealers to cease such action or they would face reduction in dealer incentives and dealer backed programs which would affect dealers financially. Honda dealers tried the same thing when the S2K came out. People at first were paying $35-40K when the sticker was $30K but that quickly subsided after the few "gotta have it at any cost" buyers had their way. Most people will not pay over sticker for any car.
I 'll say it again, at sticker price, a new Si is worth every penny but noone should have to pay more. Don't let the dealers take advantage of you. They feed on that. The more people that are willing to pay more than sticker the longer the dealers will demand top dollar for that car.
#353 of 1035 Re: $25K for an Si? [only1harry]
Jan 05, 2006 (4:38 pm)
I agree with you. S2000 is a real sports car with real performance & SI is way out of its league. For me, I would also pick an Integra Type-R over the new SI anytime.
To be honest, people buy the new SI because it is CHEAP. For people who want real performance & can afford to pay extra for luxury, they will go for S2000 or Type-R.
#354 of 1035 Re: $25K for an Si? [midnightcowboy]
Jan 05, 2006 (5:52 pm)
Be honest, MidCow...instead of comparing performance with S2000 & Type-R, you made the SI sounds like my mom's "all purpose vehicle" :
Oh yes, I like the Civic SI because it is cheap, get good milage, can carry more people & have a roof....mmmmm.
Other than that, I have to agree with only1 harry that I will pick the S2000 & Type-R over the Civic SI anytime.
The S2000 is a performance car & not a mini van....I sense "sour grapes".
#355 of 1035 Re: Civic Si markups [steveheaven]
Jan 06, 2006 (10:33 am)
Yes, it's unfortunate that such gouging occurs. I remember when the S2000 first came out that dealers were selling them--and very quickly, I might add--at close to $40K. Of course, dealers feed off some people whose "gotta-have-it-right-now" mentality ruins it, at least temporarily, for those who are not wanting to pay over MSRP. Eventually, though, the prices will come down, and I'll probably be looking at getting one in early '07.
Regarding the Si vs. S2000 comparison...obviously, the S2000 is the clear winner in the performance category, and that's because it is in a different market segment. Not every car is designed to be blazingly fast.... though it's interesting how almost every year cars are getting more and more powerful. Is 500 HP for a car enough? The folks at Bugatti surely don't think so. "We just need more power to beat the competition." And so the HP wars continue. I'm sure we'll see close-to 300 HP Accords in the not-too-distant future. The Si is not a true sports car, though it is a truly "sporty" coupe with a good blend of performance and practicality. It just depends on what you're looking for.
#356 of 1035 Re: $25K for an Si? [coolguy5]
Jan 06, 2006 (12:13 pm)
Actually you didn't seem to follow the thread or the sarcasm implied. The S2000 and Civic Si have completley different demographics. Which doesn't mean that the S2000 is 5 times better as was previously stated.
The Integra GSR Type-R has not been available since 1998 or I might have bought one.
CHEAP is the wrong word to describe a Honda Civic Si, but it fits in with the rest of your diatribe. The Civic Si is less expensive, but I wouldn't go as far as to say the S2000 and especially the type-R are more luxurious, maybe more sporty. The Type-R doesn't even have air conditioning or cruise control; but at only 2,577 lbs with 195 Hp and a 8,500 RPM redline who cares!
The 2006 Civic Si will is a very-fun, practical car with pretty decent handling and performance. It is a SPORTS coupe.
P.S.- Welcome to Edmunds forums, I guess.
#357 of 1035 Re: $25K for an Si? [midnightcowboy]
Jan 06, 2006 (3:35 pm)
Be honest, people buy the Civic SI because of the price...CHEAP. If price is not object to them, there are a lot of REAL "sports coupes" on the market which are more fun, with better handling & performance.
LOL...you are using air conditioning & cruise control as your definition of "luxurious" to downgrade the type-R (S2000?) & upgrade your SI? Be reasonable, we are living in the modern world & it is hard to find a car without air conditioning in US (even for the cheapest economy car). Cruise control is not a "luxury", it is getting very common & is standard in many cars.
To be honest, down inside, Honda SI is just a Honda Civic...& the S2000 is a real "sports car". I do agree with only1harry that S2000 is "5 times the car the SI is" (& possibly more)....& I will choose the S2000 or type-R over the SI anytime.
But of course, if you have a limited budget & need a cheaper "sports coupe?" which can carry more people & get better gas milage, you will have to choose the SI.
#358 of 1035 Re: $25K for an Si? [coolguy5]
Jan 06, 2006 (7:12 pm)
#359 of 1035 Re: quotes [psy]from lynerd
Jan 06, 2006 (7:40 pm)
thats steep i'am paying $360/6 months on a ex coupe manual trans, and have at least one ticket. I'am 43 so is the wife. We live near Portland Or.