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You are in the Honda Civic
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Honda Civic, Coupe, Hatchback
#1016 of 1035 Re: If true, how much really [unkownuser]
Jun 23, 2008 (6:04 am)
I've seen several scientific studies that showed as high as a 15% reduction in fuel economy, however, most reductions show up in the 5% to 8% range. With regard to the Civic Si, Honda doesn't just Recommend Premium, they Require it. The fact is, the Si has a high 11.0:1 compression ratio, a ratio that is so high that detonation is almost guaranteed to occur at all but the lowest power settings if Premium fuel isnít used.
Long story short, the bigger issue with the Si engine isnít fuel economy, it is engine protection. If someone holes a piston, Hondaís most likely going to charge the owner a pretty penny for the repairs.
#1017 of 1035 Couldn't stand it for even a whole month
Jul 06, 2008 (2:17 pm)
I bought an '08 Civic Si coupe and will be selling it at a loss of $2,200 just to get rid of it. These cars are cheap. I thought people saying the plastic was cheap meant that it looked cheap, which it does, but what they really mean is that it's garbage and scratches and scuffs with very little effort. Additionally, the rattles are unbearable. I couldn't listen to it one more second. I parked it, ran an ad, and sold it. Never again will I buy a Honda. They are the most over-rated joke of a car. If you're not a little kid and you know what quality really is you will not be at all happy with this car. The pluses stop with looks and quickness. I refuse to drive crappy, squeaky, rattling cars and this one is the worst new car that I have ever bought. Thank goodness I bought it for resale alone and could bail on it. I feel sorry for people who can't get out of it. I had to buy a truck to pull my boat and bought a new Ford. I never would've guessed, but that truck makes this car look like a '83 Yugo when talking about quality. I now realize that the Honda hype is due to morons buying them who don't know what they're talking about. I'm going to try the Mazdaspeed 3 now. Hopefully it won't be so junky.
#1018 of 1035 Re: Couldn't stand it for even a whole month [robotaz]
Jul 06, 2008 (4:26 pm)
As a suggestion, you might want to try a VW GTI or GLI. I know that the GTI is currently being offered with 0% financing for up to 72 months. FWIW, I'm looking in that direction as well.
#1019 of 1035 Re: Couldn't stand it for even a whole month [robotaz]
Jul 06, 2008 (8:00 pm)
Funny, but my Si has the fewest rattles of any Honda or Acura I've ever driven. Anyone expecting something better out of Mazda probably has another thing coming. VW products seem solid, but maybe that's because they never get driven enough to squeak and rattle because there's always something going wrong with them that requires them to be parked for service. Personally, I can't help but wonder if this post is for real and what, if any, steps were taken to resolve the rattle before selling at a loss.
#1020 of 1035 Re: Couldn't stand it for even a whole month [robotaz]
Jul 06, 2008 (9:12 pm)
I think there's a reason a "lemon law" exists: Some cars ARE lemons. I think to characterize all Hondas in the way you did is to ignore thousands of satisfied customers and experienced reviewers.
Here's where I'm coming from: I just had MINI buy back my 2007 MINI Cooper S after having to replace three clutches in just a bit over one year. Even though MINI newsgroups have documented many with the same problem, they would blame me and then reluctantly replace it. In addition there were numerous other irritants like rattles that developed, or auto windows moving slowly. As much as I loved the drive, I could not trust the car.
My Honda Civic LX Coupe was $9000. less than the MINI, and feels tighter, smoother, quieter, and WAY more reliable. Did I get lucky? I think not. I think you got unlucky w/ your SI, and I got unlucky with my MINI. Both experiences turned us away, but I know there ARE many good MINIs out there. You should admit the same is true for Hondas.
#1021 of 1035 Re: Couldn't stand it for even a whole month [mocivic]
Jul 07, 2008 (11:52 am)
The statistics would indicate that there are many more good Hondas than Minis, or Mazdas, or VWs.
#1022 of 1035 Re: Couldn't stand it for even a whole month [cz75]
Jul 07, 2008 (12:51 pm)
"The statistics would indicate that there are many more good Hondas than Minis, or Mazdas, or VWs."
On an historic basis, I might actually believe that, however, since the Gen 8 Civic and the Mark 5 Rabbit/Jetta/GTI/GLI debuted (both in 2006), I'm thinking that if anything, the roles have been reversed.
#1023 of 1035 Re: Couldn't stand it for even a whole month [shipo]
Jul 08, 2008 (11:44 am)
That doesn't seem like enough time to get a feel for long-term reliability on the VWs, which have a bad reputation to live down. Honda has a good reputation to blow.
#1024 of 1035 Re: Couldn't stand it for even a whole month [cz75]
Jul 08, 2008 (12:57 pm)
"Honda has a good reputation to blow."
Get on a couple of dedicated Honda Civic boards. It seems that the reputation is well on it's way to being blown.
Typical complaints include (but are not limited to) the following items:
- Numerous engine failures due to bad block casting
- Cheaper interior than the Honda Fit
- Rear suspension geometry causing squirrely handling and premature tire wear. FWIW, the 2006 model year has a TSB on this issue, however, the problem seems to persist to this day, and dealers are very reticent to swap out the rear suspension.
- Numerous transmission related issues, especially 3rd gear on the Si tranny.
- Annoying rev-hang when lifting off the throttle.
- Lots of squeaks and rattles
- Intermittent A/C effectiveness on really hot days
After driving both back-to-back (along with an Mazda3), my favorite is the Rabbit/GTI, and it wasn't even close.
#1025 of 1035 Re: Couldn't stand it for even a whole month [shipo]
Jul 08, 2008 (1:59 pm)
I think what matters is the current quality of product that is being turned out, not if one is going down or up in quality. The boards are both a blessing and a curse: If one never reads them, you'd almost never hear of all the problems that are combined and concentrated on the boards. I'm guessing that almost every board where the focus is on problems with a particular vehicle would be enough to cause one to give up cars for bicycles. But then we'd just find all the flaws on the bicycle boards. I don't mean to be overly simplistic, and I'm certainly happy to hear about problems that need to be addressed. I guess it's the wholesale "this brand sucks" attitude that gets to me. When you find the "trouble-free manufacturer" of your dreams, keep dreaming.