Last post on May 24, 2011 at 6:15 PM
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Honda Civic, Coupe, Hatchback
#1026 of 1035 Re: Couldn't stand it for even a whole month [shipo]
Jul 09, 2008 (10:27 am)
Which engines have the bad casting, the K or the R-series?
I find the Si interior is better than any previous Acura I've owned and as good as my folks' last gen TL-S, except that the metallic-look trim pieces don't, which equals "cheap." Honda should take a lesson from Audi and use real aluminum (but avoid taking lessons on designing A/C, radio, wiper and cruise control controls from Audi).
My rear suspension has a little too much negative camber, but it isn't squirrely and I can buy new UCAs, either the non-adjustable OEM from '08 on, or SPC adjustible to correct.
My transmission would jump out of third, but I replaced the fluid with synchromesh and it hasn't been an issue since. I had grinding issues with my last 5-speed Acura transmission that a fluid change also fixed.
The rev hang is a pain, but it is also mandated by stricter emissions requirements. I know many other cars are also DBW and don't have the issue, but each engine design has unique characteristics that may exacerbate or mitigate.
Again, the squeaks and rattles are fewer than any other Honda/Acura product I've driven.
My A/C cooled me down within ten minutes from 106 last summer with high humidity. A Mazda3 wouldn't do it in 20 minutes of test-driving from under 90, twice.
VWs always do seem to have thoughtful features and drive well, but no one in my family has owned one since the early '80s and won't until they get a consistent reliability record.
#1027 of 1035 Re: Couldn't stand it for even a whole month [cz75]
Jul 09, 2008 (10:46 am)
It's been a while since I frequented any Honda boards, but I'm about 90% sure that the bad casting issues were isolated to the R18.
Regarding the interiors of the 8th Gen Civics, while I personally don't have a huge issue with them, I do find them to have a look that is several cuts below both the Honda fit as well as say a GTI. Most of the complaints that I've heard in this regard is that the plastic surfaces are easy to scar with regular day-to-day usage.
Regarding the rear suspension, I don't think I've ever heard of a suspension issue with Si models, that said, the DX, LX and EX owners are having significant issues with tire wear.
Regarding your transmission, you seem to be one of the lucky ones. I've heard from plenty of Si owners that have used Synchromesh (or any of the other alternative synthetic tranny oils) where the problem disappeared following the oil change, only to return some weeks or months later. FWIW, Iíve also heard from an unlucky few who switched to Synchromesh and then had their dealer void the warranty on the transmission due to the non-standard fill of oil. Iím thinking that sucketh much.
The A/C issues seem to be hit and miss. Last summer I watched (on a different board) a debate rage between a guy from Houston and a guy from Dallas. The Houston guy claimed his A/C was perfect, the Dallas guy said his would only blow "cool" air after a half of an hour and his dealer told him it was "normal". Who's right? Don't know, however, I've heard enough complaints about the A/C to warrant caution.
Now, with all that said, please don't misunderstand me, I like the 8th Gen Civic, in fact, I like it enough to consider actually buying one, however, after driving both a Rabbit 5-Speed and a GTI 6-Speed, I honestly have to say that I like driving the VWs more than the Hondas, and in the end, that's what will probably sway me most when purchase time comes.
#1028 of 1035 Re: Couldn't stand it for even a whole month [shipo]
Jul 09, 2008 (4:07 pm)
The transmission issue appears to be fixed with current production, but there is a TSB out that authorizes replacement of 3rd gear for afflicted owners. In any case, a fluid change is not enough to void a warranty under Magnusson-Moss unless the manufacturer is willing to supply the necessary fluid without charge to maintain the warranty. A dealer can say what they like, but they aren't the final arbiter of what is voided in the warranty.
A/C depends on where the car is parked and what color it is as much as anything, though it may be possible some vehicles weren't fully charged with refrigerant. Domestics still have the best A/C.
Feb 11, 2009 (9:47 am)
Just rolled over 100,000 miles last night on my 2006 LX, still going strong!
Took about three years and a month.
Feb 17, 2009 (4:34 pm)
Bridgestone Turanza EL 400 tires were on my 2008 Honda Civic and I got 18000 miles on them before they made a ALOT of noice and gave the car a vibration no one could want. Went back to my dealer (D'ella Honda of Queensbury, NY) and they said it was my fault the tires wore prematurely. The tires that wore were on the rear of the car. D'ella Honda suggestion was to buy another set of tires from them, The service guy said that I should only expect 30000 miles from the tires, so I guess 18000 was close enough. As you expect me to say I will not buy another Honda from D'ella Honda of Queensbury,NY. I did replace the tires and had an inspection done of the tires by THE PROS and they stated that two tires on the car were defective and No Fault of Me. They have had alot of complaints with these tires which Honda and D'ella Honda are well aware of, but refuse to take the appropriate action. The civic I have is the EX-L. Bottom line stay away from these tires(just look at the complaints) and stay away from dealerships like D'ella Honda of Queensbury who care only care about selling you the car and then forgetting you. As Tony in the Sales Department says"there's a seat for every ASS"
#1031 of 1035 Looking to buy an 09 SI
Apr 20, 2009 (4:45 am)
I am looking to buy an 09 SI and wanted to check in here and see what every one's opinion is about the car. It seems that one of the major issues is the syncro in 3rd tends to let loose after a while. Has any experienced any major problems with that, e.g. having to replace the gearbox? Otherwise I'd like to get everyone's opinion about the car. Reliability is my main concern. I was originally going to get a subaru WRX, but read on some other forums about some serious engine failures after 3k miles. To me there is no point in having a car that has great performance but if it's going to have some major failure. after 3k or 20k miles.
Thanks in advance.
#1032 of 1035 Re: Looking to buy an 09 SI [jj987]
May 04, 2009 (11:41 am)
I am a current owner of an 08 Si Coupe. This is my 2nd Honda, as my first was an 07 LX Coupe 5-Speed. I am not going to even speak about the 07 LX as the 08 Si is better on every level. Where to I begin?
The 3rd gear issue was only prevelent on affected Si's from 06, 07 and some 08's. There is a specific VIN range that gives the Si's that have the issue. There was a problem where it would pop out of 3rd gear by itself. The other issue was the grind. As stated above, the TSB is out and many members recieved a new tranny tear down and build-up. Members have added Amsoil Syncromesh MTF to remedy the problem of the grind and I will say this once... NO DEALER can void your warranty if you use an oil that MEETS OR EXCEEDS manufacturer requirements. Amsoil, exceeding the requirements, has shown good results. However, it is up to each specific dealer to choose if they want to perform the MTF oil switch for you. That, you can not argue.
The A/C is strong enough and I have not heard many (if any, now that I think about it) problems with it. So owners having problems with their A/C is just a bad luck of the draw. Nothing more.
These are what I feel are the Pros and Cons of the Si:
Good gas mileage (I do 60-miles round trip every day to work and I average about 31-mpg)
Handling (One of the best handling cars I have ever driven. I can pull 0.91 G on the skid)
i-VTEC Powerband (Power and engine note sounds spectacular. ("Wow! What an engine note! Equal parts angry hornet and formula bike" - MotorTrend)
Helical Limited Slip Differential LSD
6-Speed Manual Transmission (One of the smoothest shifting manual transmissions I have ever used. Effortless shift throws)
2-Tier Digital Speedometer / Tachometer Display
Maintenance Minder System
Styling (Inside and Out)
Clutch Feel and Travel
Comfort (Racing seats are firm, supportive, and plush. Is that possible to have all 3?)
Interior Room (Front)
Drive-by-Wire (DBW) Throttle System (RPMs do not immediately drop when you shift gears sometimes)
Low Torque Numbers
Black Interior (Only comes in Black, which is what I wanted, but every piece of lint or dog hair shows)
No Leather Option (Would have been nice, but the cloth/suede material is excellent in feel. Wears pretty easily as well and starting to see some fade spots)
No Heated Seat Option
Interior Plastics scratches easily
A/C Vent right behind Steering Wheel (Not a real Con, but Iím starting to run out of ideas)
Interior Room in the Rear (A bit cramped in terms of leg room in my Coupe, but maybe that is because I am 6'1" and my driver seat is way back)
Thatís pretty much itÖ
The Si is honestly one of the best cars I have ever owned. Sure I could have went with something with more power, or more luxury, but for the money I am paying (I leased), and for what I get in terms of bang for the buck and value, that is where it shines. Comes in Coupe or Sedan, but I went with the Coupe because of the styling.
I looked at other cars like the Cobalt SS, the GTi, Sentra-V, WRX, and the Mazda Speed3 (MS3) and the Si was the logical choice. The Cobalt is a rental car, the GTi is a htach and they look god awful. The Sentra is just bland. The WRX is a bit more money. The MS3 is also a hatch, enough said, but it was the only other car that I considered.
#1033 of 1035 New Civic SI price
Sep 15, 2009 (7:27 pm)
I currently have an offer for 20.5K for one with 2.9% for 60 months. Internet dealer said he'd throw in GPS, which i'm guessing would mean like a garmin or something, not actual NAV on car i think, nor do i really care about that. I would like to know how everyone else is fairing out there with deals on a SI w/o NAV now.
I live in DFW, Texas
May 24, 2011 (6:15 pm)
I love my Civic, it's fun to drive. My dad works for Honda and he warned me they're fragile. My Si has almost all the problems posted, I've taken it to 2 different dealerships and they claim they cannot duplicate the problem (I think part of the problem is that I'm female).
-3rd gear pops out/ it's really hard to shift into 3rd
-my rear suspension creaks and sounds like it's going to break in half
-Tires wear horribly (they're expensive too)
My car has it's issues, but looking back I'd still buy it, I love driving it.