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Taking The Plunge by acole10000
Nov 09, 2005 (4:57 am)
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I am signing the papers today, RS w/ Lux, Sat, PTI rubber mats, rubber loadspace mat and cargo cover.- $57,500. This is the GM's car w/ 1,000 miles on it(not titled). comments on pricing are appreciated.
  
Has anyone got the info on the Motorola V710 PTI Cradle.
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Re: RRS Deals [streetbeast] by beamer530
Nov 09, 2005 (10:04 am)
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Replying to: streetbeast (Oct 31, 2005 7:04 pm)

The invoice for RRS w/lux pkg is $54,205. The price they give you right away is just over 58K. And they will tell you that they won't go down. Considering that the dealer gets incentives from the manufacturer, the dealer's profit in this case is guaranteed to be over $4-5K. Possibly, significantly more. Can't blame him for trying. He's in business for profit. However, if you are truly willing to wait, or to consider other cars/dealers, there is always a risk for the dealer to make $0.00 on you instead. If he's smart enough to sense that this particular customer is NOT coming back, he will make the only right decision and agree for a lower price. Otherwise, his cockiness will cost him dearly... but that's his problem, isn't it?
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Re: RRS Deals [beamer530] by british_rover
Nov 11, 2005 (8:36 am)
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Replying to: beamer530 (Nov 09, 2005 10:04 am)

Actually depending on if the sport has the LUX option or the LX1 option the invoice is different. Those are two different packages and all sports ordered from around July on have the LX1 package.
 
I will tell you honestly there are no incentives or rebates on the Sport at all. No super secret factory to dealer only incentives and no subvened lease or subvened interest rates either. Land Rover does not need to offer any incentives on this car at least not yet.
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Re: RRS Deals [british_rover] by gocart2
Nov 30, 2005 (4:39 pm)
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Replying to: british_rover (Nov 01, 2005 7:53 am)

British Rover, I think your comments on this site are pretty fascinating. As everyone knows Land Rover is part of Ford. Ford, as a company, is in absolutely horrible shape. Part of the reason Ford and its premium brand group (Rover, Volvo, Jag) are in such trouble is that first and foremost your cars have lots and lots of problems. I bot a Volvo S60R and it spent half of the first three months I owned it in the shop (at which point I sold it). A friend of mine just paid $69k for a decked out RR Sport; he has owned the car for four weeks, it has been back to the dealer twice already for a total of 8 days. Go read the customer reviews on Edmunds - people love the Sport's aesthetic but talk about the intermittent behavior of the car's electronics, problems with steering columns and engines that wont start.
 
So here you are talking about how you have some customer who you rip off on a regular basis by underpaying him for his perfect trade-ins and then making $7k. That's nice you have that customer.
  
But the sad truth of the matter is that aside from quality, one of the reasons Ford & GM continue to lose US market share is that people like you treat customers really poorly. When I spend $70k on a car I expect a) the vehicle to operate properly and b) be treated courteously by the person who sells it to me. My experiences at Lexus and BMW have always been stellar.
 
In the RR Sport, you essentially have the first truly "hot" car Rover has released in a while. Instead of capitalizing on the demand for the vehicle as an opportunity to bring customers into your dealership, show them you are a fair and helpful franchise and effectively recruit them to be long term Rover customers, you sound condescending and dismissive and seem happy to take as much short term profit from the sport as you can; effectively ensuring that many of your customers and the people who read this board know the buying experience will be a negative one.
 
This is exactly why Lexus/Toyota continues to take market share. No matter how short supply the vehicle, they are always polite and fair.
 
Enjoy the Sport's current sales. Like someone else on the site indicated, its only a matter of time before supply catches up, the quality problems become ever more well documented and soon you will be offering all kinds of financing to get people through your doors.
 
I think I need to go check out the Lexus LX470 now. Thanks for bringing me to my senses!
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Rover vs Lexus by hvf
Nov 30, 2005 (6:34 pm)
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Thanks for your comments gocart2. I agree and I'll by looking into GX470 too.
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capitalizing on the demand for the vehicle by tallwoods
Dec 02, 2005 (4:58 pm)
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Gocart2 said:
"In the RR Sport, you essentially have the first truly "hot" car Rover has released in a while. Instead of capitalizing on the demand for the vehicle as an opportunity to bring customers into your dealership, show them you are a fair and helpful franchise and effectively recruit them to be long term Rover customers, you sound condescending and dismissive and seem happy to take as much short term profit from the sport as you can; effectively ensuring that many of your customers and the people who read this board know the buying experience will be a negative one."
 
I have to agree with you here. I am really disappointed by the two local LR dealers in my area, regarding this car. Being told point blank that they have no incentive to work with me on this car is shocking and distasteful. And I have n't even tried to negotiate price! I just want one without a sunroof. How hard can that be? I don't even care about the color, but I do prefer the base package compared to the LX package.
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Re: capitalizing on the demand for the vehicle [tallwoods] by gocart2
Dec 03, 2005 (9:53 am)
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Replying to: tallwoods (Dec 02, 2005 4:58 pm)

Its really sad. The RR Sport is a great looking rig and I'd love to get one. I keep coming back to the RR USA site to look at them. So I conceed, I want one. But I just read the reviews on the full blown Range Rover (ie, not the sport, the big flagship one). The reviews are absolutely horrible. There are a few Rover die-hards, but the rest of the customers talk about nothing other wind noise, one guy says it doesn't steer straight and the dealer is telling him its a "feature of range rovers" - umm, its AWD, it should drive straight as an arrow. Almost everyone talks about problems, problems, problems and having to go back to the dealer. Irritating. Wouldn't you love it if they built a reliable vehicle or treated their customers decently?
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Re: RRS Deals [gocart2] by habitat1
Dec 03, 2005 (12:25 pm)
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Replying to: gocart2 (Nov 30, 2005 4:39 pm)

Very well said.
 
And, if it's any consolation, Ford is going through another GM like downsizing attempt to stay afloat. Which could mean that, at some point, they will have to consider spinning off Range Rover, Aston Martin and other "side businesses". Hopefully, the buyer will be passionate about building good vehicles and treating customers with respect, rather than trying to milk the "one hot car" to death.
 
I hate to say it, but Ford and GM have worked very hard for many decades to deserve what they are now going through.
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Re: capitalizing on the demand for the vehicle [gocart2] by sam818
Dec 03, 2005 (6:18 pm)
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Replying to: gocart2 (Dec 03, 2005 9:53 am)

Can you provide the links to the "horrible" reviews on the Range Rover....... I've not seen one yet.
Most are full of praise and only mention past reliability problems....i.e. pre-2003
If you read this site's RR postings you'll see there are many, many Rover "die-hards"...not just a few.
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Rover Sport Quality Debate: by gocart2
Dec 07, 2005 (11:15 pm)
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Replying to: sam818 (Dec 03, 2005 6:18 pm)

Yes of course I can. Before I do that, lets just be clear, I'm not saying that there are no Rover "die-hards" as you call them. I think that's exactly my point; most repeat range rover buyers have a cult-like affection for them despite their horrifying quality problems. So aside from my buddy whose truck is now in its 10th day at the shop out of his first 20 or so days of ownership, here are some clips from the Edmund's "Consumer Ratings & Reviews":
 
I love to keep it, But the dealer couldn't fix steering vibration for the fifth time, car factory adjustments is good for only 4 to 5 thousand miles, I'll try to call land rover again to get it fix. or call my lawyer.
 
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I've had some trouble with the air suspension not lowering by itself when the car is turned off; the car will sometimes do it and sometimes won't. also note, that the voice command for the cd player, if you ask to play track "seven" the car will play track "seventy". "
 
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This car has had the computer system replaced 3 times, cannot be made to drive straight, had the leaky-whistly windshied problem, had the naviscreen replaced twice, the air suspension raises and lowers at its own mystical intervals, et, etc ,etc... If I could tell everyone thinking of buying this vehicle, I would let them know that $20,000 of the purchase price is to cover the warranty work that they know they are going to perform. When the computer went out the 3rd time, I was asked " did you just wash the car?" because apparently the rear windows leak right where the computer resides, and commonly shorts the system out.
 
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All electronics. Rear seat hinges that don't freeze and/or break when putting the seats down, and an aux input to the stereo... and oh yeah... a car that drives straight and the steering wheel doesn't vibrate at freeway speeds.
 
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Bought the car 2 weeks ago, has been in the shop the last week because the stereo and navigation system keep going on and off. The service people can't figure out the problem and seem like they are clueless all around. Have always owned BMW's and regret switching. I would wait a year before I bought this vehicle, let them work the kinks out. Car is new so they are trying to fix problems on the fly.
 
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Phone system was a problem in the beginning, dealer gave a contact for a phone supplier out of calf. This must be handled at dealer level.
 
Now, that's just from the edmunds site - if you respond to this message and ask for more, ill copy stuff off another site, a "die hard" RR site, where there are 44 people talking about has anyone figured out how to get the dealer to correct the steering vibration. Several people are going to arbitration/lawsuits, others are on their fourth set of rims and tires and others, being die-hards, have just decided that the relentless wobble in the steering column is "worth it" for a range rover. My point was simply that while the car is simply terrific looking, it sounds like its quality is simply abysmal. A full 70% of the people who wrote consumer reviews on the Edmunds site had moderate if not severe problems. Go read reviews on BMWs or Lexus and you will find NONE of this. NONE.
 
Is that a fair assessment?

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