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#3 of 11 interesting subject by dardson1 Nov 12, 2005 (11:19 pm)
without a doubt, Lincoln has made a very interesting car with a ton of stuff for the money. I just cross-shopped it with an 06 ES330, and I wanted to love the Zypher because it has a $3k advantage over the ES option for option. The exterior is handsome, and I really liked how it rode and drove; but, the interior ruined it for me. For some reason it feels small (bound to be an optical illusion as I'm sure it's as big as the Lexus), and there are too many buttons that are difficult to read (for those of us old enough to afford a Zypher). IMHO this car works except for the interior. Less is more, sometimes. Bought the ES. Too bad Ford didn't finish this car. Replies to this message: thephantom (Apr 21, 2006 9:07 pm)
#4 of 11 based on the all posts about... by explorerx4 Jan 12, 2006 (6:44 pm)
es3xx transmission issues i read about, it makes you wonder why the traditional toyota owner would buy one. it is not a good looking vehicle and if it can't keep the owners happy with the basic toyota 'no problems' function and reliability, i can't see a good future for it. maybe the zephyr can fill some of that. Replies to this message: alpha01 (Jan 12, 2006 8:39 pm)
#5 of 11 Re: based on the all posts about... [explorerx4] by alpha01 Jan 12, 2006 (8:39 pm)
Replying to: explorerx4 (Jan 12, 2006 6:44 pm) Based on the very tepid reception of the 5 speed that Toyota used since 02 in the ES, the next ES will have the much more responsive 6 speed transmission that has been used in the GS300. That coupled with 268 horses, should satisfy most owners. Look for the new ES to debut in Chicago at the autoshow next month.   ~alpha
#6 of 11 More Power by exalteddragon1 Jan 31, 2006 (1:01 pm)
the zephyr wil get fords new 3.5 soon. Because the foreiners are seriously boosting power, there is a good chance ford will offer the best tuned version, or 270hp. That along with the new 6 speed transmission from the ford/gm joint venture should proove to be a very satisfying and competetive edge for the lincoln. Add in the 3k price advantage (before any additional discounts) and It looks like the Zephyr will more than stand its ground in the comming years.   I hope the "easy to read" complaints will be addressed, after all, older people tend to buy (afford) these types of cars so legibility is just common sence. We will see what happens.
#7 of 11 Re: 2006 Lexus Es330 vs 2006 lincoln zephyr [bigbuck14] by misspissed Mar 28, 2006 (10:08 pm)
Replying to: bigbuck14 (Oct 15, 2005 12:28 pm) Have you checked out the Chrysler 300C? We bought one last year and LOVE it. Just bought the ES330 (that was our 2nd choice) and it's a disappointment compared to the 300C. Replies to this message: andy82471 (Mar 29, 2006 6:52 am) misspissed (Apr 02, 2006 8:40 pm) pat (Apr 03, 2006 4:34 am)
#8 of 11 Re: 2006 Lexus Es330 vs 2006 lincoln zephyr [misspissed] by andy82471 Mar 29, 2006 (6:52 am)
Replying to: misspissed (Mar 28, 2006 10:08 pm) Our neighbors own a black 300C. All I can tell you is I hope you bought the extended warranty because you are going to need it. Replies to this message: misspissed (Apr 02, 2006 8:40 pm) pat (Apr 03, 2006 4:34 am)
#9 of 11 Re: 2006 Lexus Es330 vs 2006 lincoln zephyr [andy82471] by misspissed Apr 02, 2006 (8:40 pm)
Replying to: andy82471 (Mar 29, 2006 6:52 am) What was wrong with your neighbor's 300C? At this point (it's about 14 months since we've had our Chrysler) and so far, so good. (Hope I haven't jinxed us now). Replies to this message: pat (Apr 03, 2006 4:34 am)
#10 of 11 Re: 2006 Lexus Es330 vs 2006 lincoln zephyr [misspissed] by pat HOST Apr 03, 2006 (4:34 am)
Replying to: misspissed (Apr 02, 2006 8:40 pm) Actually, since this discussion is about two entirely different cars, let me invite you to join us in our Chrysler 300/300C group of discussions. Let's let this conversation focus on its subject.   See you there!
#11 of 11 Re: interesting subject [dardson1] by thephantom Apr 21, 2006 (9:07 pm)
Replying to: dardson1 (Nov 12, 2005 11:19 pm) After test drove the ES300 and the Lincoln Zypher my friend ended up leasing the Zypher because of the special lease program Lincoln had at the time. I was there for the test drive process and having driven the Zypher here are my thoughts.   The Zypher is way under powered and the handling is mediocre. The interior has some nice features including the cool vented seats for $495 but there are also a lot of flaws. Parts of the door and center console feels cheap and the quality isn't up to par. There is a yellow light under each HID light bulbs therefore making the lights look more like regular bulbs, which defeats the purpose of HID's. The guages are nice and the stereo is good. The back seat headroom and leg room are very small. I am 6ft tall and when sit upright my head touches the roof and my head is slightly tilted forward. The leather feels "vinyl/ rubber like" and the outside heated mirrors can only be activated by activating the rear defroster.   The biggest disappointment is the power. A car this small equipped with a V6 should not be sluggish. To top it all, the gas mileage is not that great for the HP rating.   The ES300 was an excellent car. It was quieter, morepowerful, and most of all more luxurious. The interior is a couple of notches above the Lincoln but it lacks the vented cooled seats option.   To me, the Lincoln rides like a Ford and the Lexus rode like a Lexus. If it weren't for financial reasons my friends would have definitely gotten the ES300.   To answer someone's questions, "why would someone choose the ES over the Lincoln?" Well, very simple, the Lexus will hold it's value much better than the Lincoln and is a better car overall. If I were to get something like the Zypher I'd probably buy an Acura TSX (eventhough it's smaller but very comparable in many ways) or the Mercury Milano.

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