Last post on Oct 23, 2007 at 11:22 AM
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Toyota Sienna, Dodge Caravan, Chrysler Town and Country, Van
#123 of 140 Re: Caravan transmissions and Payload
Mar 16, 2007 (8:05 am)
I have a 1999 Chrysler Voyager (mexican version) with the 3.3L and 41TE transaxle. It's approaching 65,000 miles without a problem except for the fan relay module which I changed (US$ 100).
What impresses me is the very light payload this van is rated for, on the glove box there it is a label which especifies the maximum payload for the van is 454 kgs. (1000 lbs.), which means my 200 lbs. body uses 1/5th of the maximum payload, so I must be carrying light stuff and forget about carrying 7 adults since I will go way past the maximum payload of the van, and maybe placing stress on the transmission which is designed for light cars like the Dodge Stratus.
Any thoughts of this?
(I might be 200 lbs. but I'm fit huh? i'm 6'3" )
#124 of 140 Re: 2007 T&C Limited VS Sienna Limited AWD [97xpresso]
Mar 20, 2007 (9:45 am)
That is because both GM and Ford have discontinued their minivan lines. DCX is the only "domestic" left.
I myself have a 2004 Sienna XLE with 70,000 miles and love it. The only issue is the drivers sliding door lock broke. We recently had new brake pads for the front installed and routine maintenance.
At times the power does seem a little lacking. However that is solved with the new 3.5L engine.
#125 of 140 Re: 2007 T&C Limited VS Sienna Limited AWD [mtnbrfl]
Mar 20, 2007 (2:38 pm)
You can still buy a new Ford or GM minivan, but they will be discontinued. I just thought that they would advertise heavily to get rid of all the 07's they have and will build this year.
#126 of 140 Re: GC vs. Sienna... [hansienna]
Jul 05, 2007 (1:18 pm)
I'm sorry, I don't agree with this. Our AWD 96 T&C needed a new transmission at 100k miles. We were second owners, from 20k miles, and babied it. It was serviced by a very knowledgeable and competent "5 Star" Chrysler dealer, so I'm doubting they used the wrong fluid.
#127 of 140 Re: Chrysler transmissions [fezo]
Jul 31, 2007 (8:44 pm)
My 3.3L 2000 T&C ate it's transmission at 80,000 miles and now our 2002 Voyager with the 2.4 L ate it's transmission at 56500 miles. I once drank the Kool-Aid and thought all of these reported transmission failures were hype, but two dead transmissions on two vehicles is enough for me. Even with the new "lifetime" warranty, another Chrysler probably is not going to show up in my driveway.
#128 of 140 Re: Chrysler transmissions [nitric_acid]
Aug 14, 2007 (6:56 pm)
Daughter's 99 GC SE now has 101,200 and NO problems since the "O" ring was replaced in the transmission.
I know of ONLY 1 person that has had transmission problem with a Caravan/GC/T&C/Voyager/GV and their minivan was purchased USED.
On the other hand, I know dozens of owners who LOVE their Chrysler minivan and are repeat buyers.'
I will NOT buy another Sienna but don't dislike my 2006 LE enough to trade it in with the dismal trade-in value that Siennas retain.
#129 of 140 Re: Chrysler transmissions [hansienna]
Aug 15, 2007 (2:48 am)
Be thankful you aren't trading in a 2006 Kia! There, I think you'd find the true definition of "dismal trade-in value"......
#130 of 140 Re: Chrysler transmissions [hansienna]
Aug 15, 2007 (7:56 am)
Actual resale depends on how good a deal you got originally, but Automotive Lease Guide gives the Sienna a 4 star rating on residuals, and lease companies actually use those numbers and bet their own money on these figures:
FWIW, the Dodge Caravan gets their worst rating, just 1 star.
I don't think it would be wise to bet on getting better resale from a new Dodge.
Having said that, Dodge dealers wheel and deal aplenty, and you can get a good value to begin with. Plus you're likely to spend less up front, so you can factor the opportunity cost of having saved that money.
I did look at used vans, and found that it just wasn't worth buying a used Sienna. New LE models were $23-24k, while used rental cars used by 355 Toyota were selling for $21k with 20k plus miles on them. Not worth it, especially for a rental that was beat on and had high miles for a year-old van.
I saw new Dodges for as little as $22k, but used ones were the real bargain, $15-17k was not hard to find.
So my personal shopping experience pretty much agreed with what ALG claims. As they say, YMMV.
#131 of 140 Re: Chrysler transmissions [ateixeira]
Aug 15, 2007 (2:06 pm)
ALG doesn't really describe how they come up with their ratings, that I could see. Most likely, like the others, they use MSRP values, not actual transaction prices for their comparison. That's about all they can do easily, as I doubt anyone publishes TPs. So, for example, I spent $19,000 in 2005 for my DCX van (most people at the time would have spent $24,000 but I had employee price), MSRP was about $28,000. Maybe it's worth about $18,000 now? That's not bad. What if I had spent the $32,000 on an Odyssey instead? It's now worth about $26,000 but I would have had to spend an extra $10,000 to drive an Ody, paying more in finance too etc...
I don't lease, never will as it's worst than buying.
Looks to me to be about equal losses at worst.
#132 of 140 Re: How does ALG compute their depreciation data?[ateixeira]
Aug 15, 2007 (3:39 pm)
I got RIPPED OFF buying a NEW 2006 Sienna LE because it depreciated about $ 10,000 after I had driven it less than 3,000 miles. A Toyota dealership used car manager said my mint condition 2006 Sienna LE had a value of $ 19,000 although I paid $ 29,280 for it.
WHERE were NEW 2006 or 2007 Sienna LE's selling for $ 23-24K?