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Re: 2010 Fusion SE [alman08]
by linaik
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May 17, 2009 (4:24 am)
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Replying to: alman08 (May 16, 2009 7:27 pm)
Thanks.
Just curious, what's an inline 4?
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Re: 2010 Fusion SE [linaik]
by igozoomzoom
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May 17, 2009 (8:41 am)
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Replying to: linaik (May 17, 2009 4:24 am)
Almost all modern 4-cylinder engines are "Inline-4"s. All four cylinders are in a single row (also known as a "Straight-4"). Most 6-cylinder engines are of the V6 variety- there are two banks of three cylinders mounted in a "V" formation (usually a right angle, if I'm not mistaken). There are also "Inline-6" engines, but they're far less common now than they were even 10 years ago. BMW is the only manufacturer I can think of that still uses an Inline-6.
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Re: 2010 Fusion SE [igozoomzoom]
by kyfdx HOST
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May 17, 2009 (9:29 am)
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Replying to: igozoomzoom (May 17, 2009 8:41 am)
V-6s are usually at a 60 degree angle, and V-8s at 90 degrees.. (not all, but most).
Almost all 4-cylinders are in-line. The only one that comes to mind that isn't.. is the Subaru, which has a flat-four (two cylinders on each bank, horizontally opposed at 180 degrees).
The last V-4 that I remember was on Saabs in the early '70s?
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Need Some advice on this price 09' SEL AWD
by mez4
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May 22, 2009 (1:17 pm)
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Last one in my state of Ohio for the 09's AWD. I like that I can finance now for 0% 72 months
2009 Fusion AWD w/
Moon and Tune
Spoiler
Heated Leather Seats
Reverse Sensing
Total MSRP with Destination is $28,905
Dealer offer to sell me the car OTD for $29,664 which includes my local 6.75% tax. he said it was being sold for $500 above invoice. Seems there is about $900 in Ford Credit fees, and misc. Please advise on what should be a "sales" price for this.
Thanks
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Re: Need Some advice on this price 09' SEL AWD [mez4]
by igozoomzoom
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May 22, 2009 (1:54 pm)
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Replying to: mez4 (May 22, 2009 1:17 pm)
Edmunds shows the Invoice Price as $26,396. They offer 0% financing for up to 72 months OR a $3500 cash rebate. Too bad it's an either/or deal, but it looks like the 0% APR is a better deal than taking the $3500 cash with a normal interest rate.
Something you may want to consider- the worst part of 6-year (72-month) financing is that you may end up with negative equity in the car. Depreciation often out-paces monthly payments on a 72-month loan. I financed my last car for 72 months, but made the payment as if it was a 60 month loan- with the addiitional paid toward principal. It's on track to be paid off in 58-months (Nov 2010). If you plan to keep the car until it's paid off, it's not a big deal.
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Re: Need Some advice on this price 09' SEL AWD [igozoomzoom]
by mez4
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May 22, 2009 (2:27 pm)
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Replying to: igozoomzoom (May 22, 2009 1:54 pm)
I did consider the $3,500 and with the 0% you are in essence using free money. It is nice to know that the entire payment will be going to principal . I plan on making an extra $1,000 paymetn each of the first 3 years to make sure If i need to trade in I can do so and not roll negative. I looked at the amortization and in 3 years without extra payments Ill owe about $14,500. Hopefully this car will hold about 50% of its value in 3 years. I only drive about 11K a year.
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Re: Need Some advice on this price 09' SEL AWD [mez4]
by gth743b
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May 22, 2009 (2:43 pm)
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Replying to: mez4 (May 22, 2009 1:17 pm)
I would aim for a lower price than the $29,664. That seems too high considering all the 2010's are starting to fill lots now. I think you should shoot for a target of around $26,000 with tax, title, and fees, $27,000 at most, along with the 0%. I bought a 2010 at the end of last month and ended up paying $200 less than invoice with a $500 rebate applied. (This is minus ttf, just the outright price of the car) Looking at my trade, I must have looked at something wrong, otherwise I could've gotten another $500-1000 taken off I think. But to get back to the main point, I think you could get down to $26-27k range.
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Re: Need Some advice on this price 09' SEL AWD [gth743b]
by frostbyte3964
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May 22, 2009 (3:01 pm)
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Replying to: gth743b (May 22, 2009 2:43 pm)
If you aren't going to keep the car the entire time, it is highly unlikely that the interest rate will pay off more than the $3500. I would seriously consider the $3500. Look at the interest paid for just 3 years on the car at your desired payment and I would guess it's far less than $3500.
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Re: Need Some advice on this price 09' SEL AWD [frostbyte3964]
by igozoomzoom
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May 22, 2009 (3:37 pm)
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Replying to: frostbyte3964 (May 22, 2009 3:01 pm)
Three years seems to be the break-even point, where the 0% APR savings tops $3500. That's based on the assumption of 6.9% for 72 months, which may not be realistic.
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Re: Need Some advice on this price 09' SEL AWD [mez4]
by jeffyscott
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May 22, 2009 (4:05 pm)
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Replying to: mez4 (May 22, 2009 2:27 pm)
It is nice to know that the entire payment will be going to principal
Of course reality is that you are just paying all the interest up front by giving up the $3500.
$29,664 paid over 6 years would be $412 per month. If you took the rebate, you would pay $26,164, financed at 4% for 6 years would give you a payment of $409. So the break even interest rate would be more like about 4%, depending on how much you finanace and if you pay extra as you suggested you would (which makes no sense, btw. It'd be better to put the extra cash in a money market or CD and earn a little interest).
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